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Offline maodiver

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Before you spear stripers
« on: March 09, 2013, 06:47:08 AM »
Wild thought just ocurred...

Before you go out to spear Stripers, especially in Sacramento's American River, you may wanna make a phone call about regulations concerning carrying spears/spearguns. 

I don't know if this is an issue, carrying your guns to/from your car or in whatever park you plan to spear from.  I think it would be a good idea, so that you don't end up speaking to a ranger/police officer. 

In the example of the AR, you would need to talk to Sacto Police and the Park Rangers...

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Offline Joshua R.

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Re: Before you spear stripers
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2013, 08:24:03 PM »
The saeson for fresh water is may 1 to sept 15.

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Re: Before you spear stripers
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2013, 09:20:03 AM »
Wild thought just ocurred...

Before you go out to spear Stripers, especially in Sacramento's American River, you may wanna make a phone call about regulations concerning carrying spears/spearguns. 

I don't know if this is an issue, carrying your guns to/from your car or in whatever park you plan to spear from.  I think it would be a good idea, so that you don't end up speaking to a ranger/police officer. 

In the example of the AR, you would need to talk to Sacto Police and the Park Rangers...

Mike

That's a good idea, Mike.  We have some great access points to the American River here in Sacramento, but I don't know what the enforcement positions will be on spear guns in public parks or on levees.  I have seen bow hunters on the banks but I don't know how legal that is.

Josh gave a nice presentation on striper spearfishing Saturday - the history of the new laws as well as potential conflicts with anglers.  He emphasized that although the law allows us to shoot all stripers over the 18" limit we leave the trophies, the egg laying hens, for future breeding.  The law is a low bar, and with striped bass populations so low now it is our responsibility to help protect the resource.
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Re: Before you spear stripers
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2013, 09:28:54 AM »
.  He emphasized that although the law allows us to shoot all stripers over the 18" limit we leave the trophies, the egg laying hens, for future breeding.  The law is a low bar, and with striped bass populations so low now it is our responsibility to help protect the resource.

that is like saying do not take the ten and eleven inch abalone since they are the trophy's and the big old ones !! Tish Tish if it is legal and in the regs take it if you chose. Do not let some hook and line discurge you we all have the right to fish for them.
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Re: Before you spear stripers
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2013, 10:07:21 AM »
Not all regulations are the same Matt.  I know the enviros would like us to leave 'em all alone and some people get tired of hearing the "let em live" speach but this one's different.  The water companies would like everyone to believe that the striped bass is the cause of all the problems in the delta.  The decline in salmon, delta smelt, etc.  This slide shows that the success of all species in the delta is directly related to the flow of water.  The more water flows to the bay, the more fish overall.

So it has nothing to do with fishing pressure but the fact is that fish populations in the delta are at historicly low levels.  The next slide illustrates that this regulation change came about, not because the fishery can necessarily handle any additional pressure, but for stricly political reasons.  The water companies sued the state and said that before they are required to slow the flow of water going south the state should reduce the effect of this imported, "NON-NATIVE" species.  They won the lawsuit and the state was required to do "something."  That's how we got the ok. 
Before the reg passed I approached the angling clubs and none of them expressed any concern.  I later learned that it was because they never expected this to go through.  Once it passed many clubs were infuriated.  To them, we just put striped bass on the same level as talapia and carp.  We've been talking with these clubs since November and have assured them that spearfishermen are selective in their hunt and we are also considered the most conservative of fishing methods because we can choose to shoot or not shoot certain fish.  This is why we were allowed certain exceptions in the MLPA process and are allowed to spear in some MPA's that are closed to everyone else.  As of now our agreement is that we will foster an attitude of conservation.  We have a very good relationship with the angling clubs now and so long as we show them that we can respect the resource we will be working together on future opportunities. 

Bottom line is that if you guys want to make it easy on the guys that are fighting for your rights to access new and different fishing opportunities, be respectful of the resource.

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Re: Before you spear stripers
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2013, 11:42:38 AM »
I would think trophy abalone are the exact opposite of the striped bass situation.  The abalone size limit of 7" was set in part to create a safe haven for fertile abalone.  The ten inch abalone, from what I've read, are probably in their Viagra years and so taking them does not lessen reproduction potential.   
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Re: Before you spear stripers
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2013, 11:48:57 AM »
I would think trophy abalone are the exact opposite of the striped bass situation.  The abalone size limit of 7" was set in part to create a safe haven for fertile abalone.  The ten inch abalone, from what I've read, are probably in their Viagra years and so taking them does not lessen reproduction potential.   

wrong there have been some studies showing the older and larger anaimals actually have a higher egg and sperm count. But we can go back and forth on this to each there own, All I know is I will shoot what ever the regs say I can.
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Before you spear stripers
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2013, 03:41:38 PM »
Big abalone meat is the same as all abolone meat( to me anyway) big striper isnt as good eating as small striper, but i won't judge anyone for taking a legal fish. If i see any i don't plan on taking any over 10lbs .

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Re: Before you spear stripers
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2013, 04:40:22 PM »
 The ONLY reason I would think twice about spearing big stripers is the mercury content. 

But then I don't specifically target trophies of any kind.  To me meat is meat.  I don't keep score.
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Before you spear stripers
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2013, 04:56:37 PM »
Old bull isnt as good as steer,

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Re: Before you spear stripers
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2013, 11:35:29 PM »
Old bull isnt as good as steer,

+1  :thumbsup:
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Re: Before you spear stripers
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2013, 11:53:44 AM »
Old bull isnt as good as steer,

But is it as good as old steer  :laughing7:
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Re: Before you spear stripers
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2013, 10:46:47 AM »
I would think trophy abalone are the exact opposite of the striped bass situation.  The abalone size limit of 7" was set in part to create a safe haven for fertile abalone.  The ten inch abalone, from what I've read, are probably in their Viagra years and so taking them does not lessen reproduction potential.   

wrong there have been some studies showing the older and larger anaimals actually have a higher egg and sperm count. But we can go back and forth on this to each there own, All I know is I will shoot what ever the regs say I can.

I would be interested in reading those studies.  i know abalone mature sexually well into the 8" range, and possibly more, but I thought they slowed down once past 9" or so.
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Re: Before you spear stripers
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2013, 09:54:16 AM »
wow this is so confusing????  we are allowed to shoot strypers only because they are an invasive species.. correct??? so dont shoot the breeders??? are you serious? wouldnt that just be too direct of an approach?? makes no sense, if we arent supposed to shoot the big ones why didnt the dfg put a slot limit?? why would you try to remove an invasive species and leave big breeders??? why does everything have to be so clouded with opinoins and bullshit ethics?? the laws are written very plain, why infuse so much crap?? IF IT IS AN INVASIVE SPECIES I WILL SHOOT THEM(WITH NO REGARD TO THIER SIZE),,, FOR FUN I WILL OPT TO STAY OUT OF SALMON AND STEELHEAD BREEDING WATERS.

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Re: Before you spear stripers
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2013, 12:10:59 PM »
IF IT IS AN INVASIVE SPECIES I WILL SHOOT THEM,,, FOR FOOD, I WILL OPT TO STAY OUT OF SALMON AND STEELHEAD BREEDING WATERS FOR FEAR OF GETTING A TICKET!

 

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