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Re: hunt for red treasure
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2011, 03:14:01 PM »

All politics aside, pretty cool little movie.  Lots of ab/ocean porn.  Some corny poetic narration about the ocean, description of the regs and conditions divers deal with, shark horror stories, and some chat with trophy ab divers.
Is there something especially pissing you off when people mention trophy divers?  I do get what you're saying btw.
If your focus when ab'ing is all about the size, I guess you're a trophy diver.  That does not mean you deserve any special respect.  Some trophy divers still have poor ethics when it comes to ab'ing.  I know some veteran divers who have never even pulled a 10 that deserve a lot more respect than some guys who pull tens often.
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Re: hunt for red treasure
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2011, 03:30:28 PM »
Hey you do not have to dive private area's  to be a sucessfull trophy hunter most of all my tens including my 2 largest abaloen 11.25 and 2 that almost went 10.5  have come right from state park access That jsut about every one knows of and have dove.

And glee's, I pulled a 9.558 inch abalone out of the same state park area and won the abalone division of the contest. Does this make me a trophy abalone diver? Ditto, ditto, sorry I am not going to in anyway claim the bar be set (because I nor does anyone else have that right) at ten inches and above for abalone landed by abalone divers to be recognized as some kind of special person to be entitled to with a title of trophy hunter.
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Re: hunt for red treasure
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2011, 04:02:22 PM »


I can't leave this one alone. Define a Trophy ab diver for me if you would please, all politics aside. Is it bench marked that you have gotten at least one ten inch abalone? Is it measured on your ability and knowledge to know where to look for ten abalone even thought you may not yet landed a ten inch abalone for one reason or another, does this count? Is it a person who only take's ten inch abalone EVER!! and nothing less, for I am afraid the data just may indicate otherwise. What if you are an abalone diver whom for some reason are limited to only high use public access places and how does this affect your ability to be a trophy abalone diver? Can you be a trophy abalone diver if you won an abalone diving contest? And how does the fact that there are more ten inch abalone today than there was twenty plus years ago? Does genetics and location and water quality play a role in knowing where to look for ten inch abalone? Or is it you are a friends and friends of friends whom just by chance settled in a very good location with very limited general access for the public as whole and this place just so happens' to be very conductive to producing ten abalone for a lot of biological reason's? Or is just getting to a place where people are not for the most part and for some reason just having the luxury and time of being able to get to less impacted area's with the right conditions? So what is the ruling here? Drum roll please, are the demi gods going to rule?

If you took the top (whatever that means) ten abalone divers in the world together in a room, and gave them those questions, you wouldn't even get close to having 100% agreement on any one of the questions.  Did you realize this or are you seriously curious as to how dude defines trophy abalone diver?

If you are serious, then I'm sure you could you tell me how would you define an 'abalone diver.'

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Re: hunt for red treasure
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2011, 05:16:23 PM »
just to touch on a few things said earlier, Jack Likins was not the only person invvolved in that DVD, There was all so Ken Bailey and Richard Leiws. I know some of us dont agree with what Jack did but hey that is what makes this counrty so great we are all allowed to have our own opions, we all dont have to like them and agree on them but have to respect every one's right to have one. And Andrew I think there was much more to it than just Jack I do not think his testomny only caused them to go that direction more to it and a bigger picture and big money was invovled and back door deals !
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Re: hunt for red treasure
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2011, 06:29:11 PM »


I can't leave this one alone. Define a Trophy ab diver for me if you would please, all politics aside. Is it bench marked that you have gotten at least one ten inch abalone? Is it measured on your ability and knowledge to know where to look for ten abalone even thought you may not yet landed a ten inch abalone for one reason or another, does this count? Is it a person who only take's ten inch abalone EVER!! and nothing less, for I am afraid the data just may indicate otherwise. What if you are an abalone diver whom for some reason are limited to only high use public access places and how does this affect your ability to be a trophy abalone diver? Can you be a trophy abalone diver if you won an abalone diving contest? And how does the fact that there are more ten inch abalone today than there was twenty plus years ago? Does genetics and location and water quality play a role in knowing where to look for ten inch abalone? Or is it you are a friends and friends of friends whom just by chance settled in a very good location with very limited general access for the public as whole and this place just so happens' to be very conductive to producing ten abalone for a lot of biological reason's? Or is just getting to a place where people are not for the most part and for some reason just having the luxury and time of being able to get to less impacted area's with the right conditions? So what is the ruling here? Drum roll please, are the demi gods going to rule?

If you took the top (whatever that means) ten abalone divers in the world together in a room, and gave them those questions, you wouldn't even get close to having 100% agreement on any one of the questions.  Did you realize this or are you seriously curious as to how dude defines trophy abalone diver?

If you are serious, then I'm sure you could you tell me how would you define an 'abalone diver.'
Thanks their Kriby. I realized the whole thing: no one would agree 100% on the question and of course I knew several answers to each of the questions I posed. Also I was just looking to see if someone was going to bite or not; fish on!!

I totally think it is funny that the notion of trophy abalone diver ever got deemed in the first place. Abalone trophy diving for some reason got sucked into a dogma by a group of people or people, and friends of friends perhaps well intended located in a certain geographical area along the coast that is biologically conductive to produce ten abalone often on the reef structure.  And there are other geographic area's along the coast that can produce ten inch abalone and greater in size assured. To me I guess, claiming and wanting to be recognized as trophy hunter for this knowledge just doesn't set right. And to be fair it is quite possible, I for one, do not want to be called out as a trophy by someone else either.  Claiming trophy abalone status is kind of like saying I am going to be a trophy salmon fisherman and I only going to take 50" king's in order claim status or feel special about it. You know abalone diving is a part of the total freediving seen and it is the only endeavor in our family that even begins to claim trophy status diver. Where are the trophy yellow tail hunters who state and claim trophy status for only 75lb yellow tail and up. Where are the WSB trophy hunters who only take 50lb WSB and up and claim status for that. On one is claiming trophy status or setting a bench mark for any of the species of fish we spearfish. Just standing records are broke from time to time and when that happens the lucky guy or gal gets an mane in the books and get to feel that special lucky for awhile.   

Now for the guys who only want to take ten abalone and above and if that is what floats their boats go for it. On the other hand I hope no one looks on me as a lessor for taking abalone that are 9 to 10 inches and I really think no one does. Nor would I think the lessor of rock pickers whom often have to settle for just barely legal abalone at a lot of public access locations.

Sure, finding ten inch abalone is a great thing and if you should ever get one or have gotten one I truly admit it is nice, but am I special and deserving of title for knowing and recognizing the geographic, oceanographic and other certain conditions that would increase my chance for finding ten inch abalone, I should hope not. 

As for defining an abalone diver I will not. But I can tell you how the department of fish and game defines one. The answer is and believe it or not is: are fins used or not.

Anyways I have banged away on this subject enough, done, finished because it not that important in the grand scheme of it.

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Re: hunt for red treasure
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2011, 08:00:12 PM »
Eye am a troafee abalony diver becuz awl uv mie aboloany our troughfies four mee, irregardless of thay're siez.  (errors intentional   :bootyshake:)



As far as the NIMBY, Not In My Back Yard, stuff goes; it does show one's true colors if you ask me.  Which you didn't, but I told you anyway.

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Re: hunt for red treasure
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2011, 09:11:14 PM »
Nice collection there Mike.
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Re: hunt for red treasure
« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2011, 10:04:54 AM »
I can't leave this one alone. Define a Trophy ab diver for me if you would please, all politics aside. Is it bench marked that you have gotten at least one ten inch abalone? Is it measured on your ability and knowledge to know where to look for ten abalone even thought you may not yet landed a ten inch abalone for one reason or another, does this count? Is it a person who only take's ten inch abalone EVER!! and nothing less, for I am afraid the data just may indicate otherwise. What if you are an abalone diver whom for some reason are limited to only high use public access places and how does this affect your ability to be a trophy abalone diver? Can you be a trophy abalone diver if you won an abalone diving contest? And how does the fact that there are more ten inch abalone today than there was twenty plus years ago? Does genetics and location and water quality play a role in knowing where to look for ten inch abalone? Or is it you are a friends and friends of friends whom just by chance settled in a very good location with very limited general access for the public as whole and this place just so happens' to be very conductive to producing ten abalone for a lot of biological reason's? Or is just getting to a place where people are not for the most part and for some reason just having the luxury and time of being able to get to less impacted area's with the right conditions? So what is the ruling here? Drum roll please, are the demi gods going to rule?

Well I've only been diving for a season and a half now and I only have one 10 inch ab...but if you want me to "define trophy ab diver" I'll give it a shot.  My understanding was that a trophy diver is a diver who looks for monster abs, period.  The person who doesnt jump in and out in an hour to grab the first 3 legal abs they see for food, but the person who spends all day out there diving in all sorts of conditions and harder-to-reach areas passing up any 8s and 9s to search for 10s and up.

lol Did my using that phrase to describe what's in the video touch some kind nerve here or am I just reading you wrong?

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Re: hunt for red treasure
« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2011, 10:51:51 AM »
I totally think it is funny that the notion of trophy abalone diver ever got deemed in the first place. Abalone trophy diving for some reason got sucked into a dogma by a group of people or people, and friends of friends perhaps well intended located in a certain geographical area along the coast that is biologically conductive to produce ten abalone often on the reef structure.  And there are other geographic area's along the coast that can produce ten inch abalone and greater in size assured. To me I guess, claiming and wanting to be recognized as trophy hunter for this knowledge just doesn't set right. And to be fair it is quite possible, I for one, do not want to be called out as a trophy by someone else either.  Claiming trophy abalone status is kind of like saying I am going to be a trophy salmon fisherman and I only going to take 50" king's in order claim status or feel special about it. You know abalone diving is a part of the total freediving seen and it is the only endeavor in our family that even begins to claim trophy status diver. Where are the trophy yellow tail hunters who state and claim trophy status for only 75lb yellow tail and up. Where are the WSB trophy hunters who only take 50lb WSB and up and claim status for that. On one is claiming trophy status or setting a bench mark for any of the species of fish we spearfish. Just standing records are broke from time to time and when that happens the lucky guy or gal gets an mane in the books and get to feel that special lucky for awhile.   

Now for the guys who only want to take ten abalone and above and if that is what floats their boats go for it. On the other hand I hope no one looks on me as a lessor for taking abalone that are 9 to 10 inches and I really think no one does. Nor would I think the lessor of rock pickers whom often have to settle for just barely legal abalone at a lot of public access locations.

Sure, finding ten inch abalone is a great thing and if you should ever get one or have gotten one I truly admit it is nice, but am I special and deserving of title for knowing and recognizing the geographic, oceanographic and other certain conditions that would increase my chance for finding ten inch abalone, I should hope not.

Personally, I think youre confusing "trophy ab diver" (which is just a term of that person's intent while diving) with "pompous dick" (which is a person who thinks that their s#!t doesnt stink because they've gotten good at something).

I used the term "trophy ab divers" because guys are interviewed in that video who have been at this a long time and have gotten really good at finding big abs.  A lot of younger and up-and-coming divers like myself like to hear what advice they have on that.  Im not saying that trophy divers are great people who should be fanned with palms and fed grapes.  A lot of them could be the scum of the earth for all I know. 

 

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Re: hunt for red treasure
« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2011, 11:08:14 AM »
This is what I love about our forum, you never know where thing may go.
But really I was just looking for the video and did find it thanks Matt
Oh!! please pass the Grapes  :headbang: :occasion14: :laughing4:
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Re: hunt for red treasure
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2011, 12:39:05 PM »
No more "grapes" please, I am quite full and that's the spirit Julian!! It's been a long winter so lets shut up (including myself) and go diving  :icon_thumright:

So Byers after all this "drama" what did you think about the video?
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« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2011, 01:02:11 PM »
 I hope that doesnt turn in to a requirment here to find a dive buddy fanning them and feeding them grapes. :laughing7: :laughing7:

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Re: hunt for red treasure
« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2011, 01:07:25 PM »
How about fanning and a beer?I'll be ur partner

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Re: hunt for red treasure
« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2011, 02:07:31 PM »
Julian you hit the nail on the head in both of your last to post !!! Wel put and said !!!!!
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« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2011, 02:13:38 PM »
Have not watch it yet, it is on the way, but when I do watch it we shall start a new thread!!Hey we have 11 more day till Ab season what else would we do  :notworthy:
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