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(RAAC)Saturday, January 13, 201810:00 AM – 3:30 PM
« on: December 22, 2017, 10:55:07 AM »
Hey all I know most of us are upset and pissed off about the abalone closure, But we have a chance still with the development of the new fishery management plan "FMP"  between that and the "sunset" date put on the closure by the Commissioners 2019 This is our chance to fight for it back and have a say in the design of the new fishery management plan. This is a chance for us to speak up share what we want in a new fishery and get involved. I say a lot of peoples replies and comments on line and bitching me included well this is our chance to change it ! There should be no excuses from divers for not attending if you truly want ab diving back ! this meeting is being held on a SATURDAY for once ! Saturday, January 13, 201810:00 AM – 3:30 PM Location: Marin/Sonoma Mosquito and Vector Control boardroom, 595 Helman Lane, Cotati, CA.

MEETING AGENDA Recreational Abalone Advisory Committee (RAAC)Saturday, January 13, 201810:00 AM – 3:30 PM

MEETING AGENDA Recreational Abalone Advisory Committee (RAAC)Saturday, January 13, 201810:00 AM – 3:30 PM
Location: Marin/Sonoma Mosquito and Vector Control boardroom, 595 Helman Lane, Cotati, CA.
Conference line:  Toll-Free Number (in USA): 888-808-6929 When prompted, enter the Meeting Access Code: 9961539#
Contact Person: Ian Taniguchi, Senior Environmental Scientist, 4665 Lampson Ave. Suite C, Los Alamitos, CA. 90720   Phone: (562) 342-7182
 Email: ian.taniguchi@wildlife.ca.gov
Committee Web Page: https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/Conservation/Marine/Invertebrates/RAAC 1.  10:00 – 10:15 Introductions and announcements (Taniguchi)
2.  10:15 – 10:45 CDFW enforcement report 2017 activities (Hendricks)
 3.  10:45 – 14:45 Red abalone Fishery Management Plan (working lunch)a. Goals of the FMP b. Harvest Control Rule (CDFW) c.  Harvest Control Rule (TNC)d.  Discussion of HCRs (includes public expression on this topic)Break  (as needed)
4.  14:45 – 15:00  Abalone dedicated account update (Taniguchi)
5.  15:00 – 15:15 Other Businesss
6.  15:15 – 15:30 Public Expression on other agenda items (please limit to 3 minutes per person) and wrap up, next meeting and Adjournment

Hope to see a packed house of divers !!! if we do not get involved and speak up we will surely never see abalone diving again at least if we try we have a chance !!!


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Re: (RAAC)Saturday, January 13, 201810:00 AM – 3:30 PM
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2018, 01:02:04 PM »
Calling on all abalone divers !! please attend this meeting ! and please get involved with them, this is the path to getting our fishery back !! if we do not get involved we can say with certain we will never see it !!! I hoped to see a packed house of divers !!! See you all there


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Re: (RAAC)Saturday, January 13, 201810:00 AM – 3:30 PM
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2018, 02:23:28 PM »
I'm working that day. Can someone go be an angry loud mouthed Italian in place of me?

I will do my best but I am better at being a yelling loud Sasquatch !!! 


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Re: (RAAC)Saturday, January 13, 201810:00 AM – 3:30 PM
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2018, 09:19:26 AM »
Matt and co:

I will be there.
Haven't been to anything like this before. Will I fall asleep between 10:45 - 2 or is it pretty lively? That's a LONG working session! I'll bring some candy and soda. Do they break for lunch or do people keep going straight through?

I notice at the end there is a segment for "Public Expression" - what do you normally see during this part of the meeting, what do people say, do many people get to talk / share (3 minute limit) - do you suggest we prepare something in hopes that we get to speak?

And I am curious what you think is an effective use of the 3 minutes, if one of us were to get to speak up and share.

Thanks for any insight, K.

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Re: (RAAC)Saturday, January 13, 201810:00 AM – 3:30 PM
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2018, 10:41:25 AM »
Awesome that you will be three and so stoked to see divers getting involved I know it is not a fun topic of event but we need to get involved !

Matt and co:
I will be there.
Haven't been to anything like this before. Will I fall asleep between 10:45 - 2 or is it pretty lively? That's a LONG working session! I'll bring some candy and soda. Do they break for lunch or do people keep going straight through?

yes they break for lunch


Matt and co:
I notice at the end there is a segment for "Public Expression" - what do you normally see during this part of the meeting, what do people say, do many people get to talk / share (3 minute limit) - do you suggest we prepare something in hopes that we get to speak?
And I am curious what you think is an effective use of the 3 minutes, if one of us were to get to speak up and share.

Thanks for any insight, K.

yes public comment and each person gets 2-3 minutes this is where you state your thoughts and suggestions to the RAAC, about the fishery and management methods or you can also donate your 2-3 minutes to another speaker I believe as well.

I hope this answers some of your questions


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Re: (RAAC)Saturday, January 13, 201810:00 AM – 3:30 PM
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2018, 12:25:19 PM »
Hey all just a reminder this meeting is this Saturday hope to see you all there


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Re: (RAAC)Saturday, January 13, 201810:00 AM – 3:30 PM
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2018, 08:58:10 AM »
MEETING AGENDA
 Recreational Abalone Advisory Committee (RAAC)
Saturday, January 13, 2018
10:00 AM – 3:30 PM

THEY EVEN HAVE A Conference line If you are unable to attend in person :  Toll-Free Number (in USA): 888-808-6929
When prompted, enter the Meeting Access Code: 9961539#

MEETING AGENDA
 Recreational Abalone Advisory Committee (RAAC)
Saturday, January 13, 2018
10:00 AM – 3:30 PM

Location: Marin/Sonoma Mosquito and Vector Control boardroom, 595 Helman Lane, Cotati, CA.

Conference line:  Toll-Free Number (in USA): 888-808-6929
When prompted, enter the Meeting Access Code: 9961539#

Contact Person: Ian Taniguchi, Senior Environmental Scientist, 4665 Lampson Ave. Suite C, Los Alamitos, CA. 90720   Phone: (562) 342-7182  Email: ian.taniguchi@wildlife.ca.gov

Committee Web Page: https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/Conservation/Marine/Invertebrates/RAAC

1.  10:00 – 10:15 Introductions and announcements (Taniguchi)
      
2.  10:15 – 10:45 CDFW enforcement report 2017 activities (Hendricks)

3.  10:45 – 14:45 Red abalone Fishery Management Plan (working lunch)

a. Goals of the FMP
b. Harvest Control Rule (CDFW)
c.  Harvest Control Rule (TNC)
d.  Discussion of HCRs (includes public expression on this topic)
   
   Break  (as needed)

4.  14:45 – 15:00  Abalone dedicated account update (Taniguchi)

5.  15:00 – 15:15 Other Business

6.  15:15 – 15:30 Public Expression on other agenda items (please limit to 3 minutes per person) and wrap up, next meeting and Adjournment


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Re: (RAAC)Saturday, January 13, 201810:00 AM – 3:30 PM
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2018, 12:10:03 PM »
I received these PDF files on the the upcoming RAAC meeting, and wanted to share

MEETING AGENDA
Recreational Abalone Advisory Committee (RAAC)
Saturday, January 13, 2018
10:00 AM – 3:30 PM
Location: Marin/Sonoma Mosquito and Vector Control boardroom, 595 Helman Lane, Cotati, CA.
Conference line: Toll-Free Number (in USA): 888-808-6929
When prompted, enter the Meeting Access Code: 9961539#
Contact Person: Ian Taniguchi, Senior Environmental Scientist, 4665 Lampson Ave. Suite C, Los Alamitos,
CA. 90720 Phone: (562) 342-7182 Email: ian.taniguchi@wildlife.ca.gov
Committee Web Page: https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/Conservation/Marine/Invertebrates/RAAC
1. 10:00 – 10:15 Introductions and announcements (Taniguchi)
2. 10:15 – 10:45 CDFW enforcement report 2017 activities (Hendricks)
3. 10:45 – 11:00 FGC Decision and fishery associated updates (Mastrup)
4. 11:00 - 14:45 Red abalone Fishery Management Plan (Mastrup)
a. Goals of the FMP
b. Harvest Control Rule (CDFW)
c. Harvest Control Rule (collaborative proposal)
d. Discussion of HCRs (includes public expression on this topic)
Break (as needed)
5. 14:45 – 15:00 Abalone dedicated account update (Taniguchi)
6. 15:00 – 15:15 Other Business
7. 15:15 – 15:30 Public Expression on other agenda items (please limit to 3 minutes per person) and
wrap up, next meeting and Adjournment

Here is spreadsheet that goes over the abalone budget for 2017 & 2018 as well as the abalone report card sales from 1998 to present 


the last attachment at bottom of post labeled RAAC_Ab_FMP_01132018 is Abalone Fishery Management Plan Update presentation that Sonke Mastrup Invert. Program Manager, will be presenting at the meeting
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Re: (RAAC)Saturday, January 13, 201810:00 AM – 3:30 PM
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2018, 02:05:21 PM »
Hope to a lot of abalone divers at this meeting tomorrow
Recreational Abalone Advisory Committee (RAAC) MEETING AGENDA Recreational Abalone Advisory Committee (RAAC)
Saturday, January 13, 2018
10:00 AM – 3:30 PM
Location: Marin/Sonoma Mosquito and Vector Control boardroom, 595 Helman Lane, Cotati, CA.
Conference line: Toll-Free Number (in USA): 888-808-6929
When prompted, enter the Meeting Access Code: 9961539#
Contact Person: Ian Taniguchi, Senior Environmental Scientist, 4665 Lampson Ave. Suite C, Los Alamitos,
CA. 90720 Phone: (562) 342-7182 Email: ian.taniguchi@wildlife.ca.gov 1. 10:00 – 10:15 Introductions and announcements (Taniguchi)
2. 10:15 – 10:45 CDFW enforcement report 2017 activities (Hendricks)
3. 10:45 – 11:00 FGC Decision and fishery associated updates (Mastrup)
4. 11:00 - 14:45 Red abalone Fishery Management Plan (Mastrup)
a. Goals of the FMP
b. Harvest Control Rule (CDFW)
c. Harvest Control Rule (collaborative proposal)
d. Discussion of HCRs (includes public expression on this topic)
Break (as needed)
5. 14:45 – 15:00 Abalone dedicated account update (Taniguchi)
6. 15:00 – 15:15 Other Business
7. 15:15 – 15:30 Public Expression on other agenda items (please limit to 3 minutes per person) and
wrap up, next meeting and Adjournment
Here is spreadsheet that goes over the abalone budget for 2017 & 2018 as well as the abalone report card sales from 1998 to present. Pictures below is Abalone Fishery Management Plan Update presentation that Sonke Mastrup Invert. Program Manager, will be presenting at the meeting. the next 28 pictures will go over all the info discussed in above post


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Re: (RAAC)Saturday, January 13, 201810:00 AM – 3:30 PM
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2018, 02:22:26 PM »
here are my talking points and comments for tomorrow's meeting             
Talking points

•   New FMP we want multiple indicators in the new FMP, No Cadillac fishery

1.   Catch total numbers
2.   Size
3.   Densities populations
4.   More citizen science

•   As diver we want more access to the fishery, even it means a reduced take to an extreme low level

•   Fast track a purple urchin removal program / open up limits for recreational divers to remove urchin. The idea is to promote the recovery of the kelp beds and Kelp growth in order to repair the feeding grounds that were lost

•   We would also like all proposals “DFW” / “TNC”  of the new FMP and other info and suggestions submitted to the PEER review committee

•   Ideally we want a bomb shelter fishery, meaning what is the absolute minimal harvest level, meaning that is the bottom line that we will not fish the populations under. WHAT IS THAT BOTTOM LINE?

•   New FMP in time the next 6 months  to be considered for reopening in 2019, which means having a final "draft" by June 2018

 Good Morning
I know you and the organization you represent are very busy throughout the year, with many different things going on all at once regarding Fish & Wildlife Management for CA. But, thank you for taking the time to read this and hoping it may spark some alternate solutions or out-of-the-box ideas within your organization to help in opening up and managing a resource that I, my children, one day my children's children, and many others enjoy with a passion that few others ever experience in their lives.  Abalone fishery Management is a difficult thing to balance with the flawed current ARMP that is in place for the so called "Cadillac “fishery. With that being said, I hope you and others realize we divers can be a significant resource in helping monitor those changes and offer viable real world solutions. Diver's involvement in management would promote both a healthy ocean and also build a trusted alliance between fisherman and the DFW which is there to help in keeping those resources available for future generations. I am writing this letter to share some out of the box solutions that will be fair to all involved and benefit the fishery. Fair, meaning that no one is 100% happy, but at least accepting of what is being offered. I have put together some “ideas" that may help remove some of the current mistrust out there among all groups involved, promote a healthy and thriving fishing environment, and encourage a "hands on" approach (in some cases) for folks to directly help in managing our resources. Thank you again for your time.
 
Abalone Recovery Proposal: The idea is to promote the recovery of the kelp beds and Kelp growth in order to repair the feeding grounds that were lost when the starfish die off occurred a few years back. This die off caused a huge population surge in the purple urchin along the Sonoma and Mendocino Coast. This surge also contributed to massive areas and normal abalone feeding grounds to be consumed and decimated by sea urchins., Resulting in starvation  of the abalone. Closing the abalone fishing season is not going to help in restoring the affected areas to a balanced environment between the urchin and abalone.   Even, as stated by DFW themselves, when the starfish return to their normal (pre-die off) numbers it will take a long time for abalone to rebound. The other suggestion that I have is for the DFW to work diligently with The Nature Conservancy and divers to create a new fishery management plan that is more realistic and not set up to be a"Cadillac" fishery.
I hope we can get the RAAC to ask the DFW to work with them on getting the FMP in time to be considered for reopening in 2019, which means having a final "draft" by June 2018. So, what I am proposing is a temporary 1 year urchin removal project. Basically what that entails is allowing divers to remove purple urchin (by any means) no limit on urchin harvest.  I know myself and other like Josh Russo and groups like the Watermens Alliance are already working and raising funds for urchin removal. My other recommendation is to allow "citizen scientists" to help gather data, to revamp the survey techniques and use other info and statics to evaluate the health of the fishery instead of the standard generic index sites and transects that are used now.
 
Matt Mattison
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Re: (RAAC)Saturday, January 13, 201810:00 AM – 3:30 PM
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2018, 03:57:22 PM »
That's a good letter, identifies a situation and problems and offers solutions in a non-confrontational manner.

Thanks for putting it out there.

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Re: (RAAC)Saturday, January 13, 201810:00 AM – 3:30 PM
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2018, 07:04:18 PM »
So, how did it go today?

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Re: (RAAC)Saturday, January 13, 201810:00 AM – 3:30 PM
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2018, 07:53:57 AM »
My thoughts on the RAAC recreational abalone advisory committee meeting yesterday. There is so much to mention so I will go over the things that stud out to me.
I feel the meeting went as good as it could, I was happy to see We actually convinced them to ask the director to remove urchin regulation for recreational urchin removal may through August. Which is desperately needed to repair the feeding grounds. Also great to hear the urchin removal project with the commercial divers is underway on the mendo coast. Along with work being started to get commercial divers working on the Sonoma coast. I was pleased to See a full room of involved divers speaking up. Next is we need to lock them down and figure out what the bottom line we will not fish under is. Also we need to make sure they get what ever fmp submitted by December for approval for any chance for 2019 season. The Nature Conservancy did a presentation on their FMP that they’re going to submit. At times it was very lively but for the most part very constructive with a lot of great input by the Divers.


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Re: (RAAC)Saturday, January 13, 201810:00 AM – 3:30 PM
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2018, 08:00:28 AM »
My thoughts on the RAAC recreational abalone advisory committee meeting yesterday. There is so much to mention so I will go over the things that stud out to me.
I feel the meeting went as good as it could, I was happy to see We actually convinced them to ask the director to remove urchin regulation for recreational urchin removal may through August. Which is desperately needed to repair the feeding grounds. Also great to hear the urchin removal project with the commercial divers is underway on the mendo coast. Along with work being started to get commercial divers working on the Sonoma coast. I was pleased to See a full room of involved divers speaking up. Next is we need to lock them down and figure out what the bottom line we will not fish under is. Also we need to make sure they get what ever fmp submitted by December for approval for any chance for 2019 season. The Nature Conservancy did a presentation on their FMP that they’re going to submit. At times it was very lively but for the most part very constructive with a lot of great input by the Divers.

I wasn't at the meeting but was listening in on the conference line.
Yeah -- good progress on the urchin issue and I need to say how impressed I was with Cynthia Catton's presentation and the way she responded to questions and comments. She's been doing an excellent job and deserves a lot of credit for getting the ball rolling. And with Josh pushing the department as hard as he has recreational divers are guaranteed to continue being an important part of the process. Great job, Josh!!
Wish I could be sounding as positive about the development of the FMP.
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