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WildernessMedic

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DOTY 2018 rule changes.
« on: December 06, 2017, 04:59:47 PM »
 Hello all, this coming year Big Jim is stepping down from running DOTY. Duane (DG) and I will be taking over.

We have about 3 weeks until the start of the next DOTY year. Is everyone happy with the rules that are in place now, and ok with keeping them the same for 2018?

If you have any suggestions or things you'd like to see changed, lets start discussing it now so we can have it set in time.

Do we want to keep it as top X amount of species, or reopen it back up to scoring all species; even those that are a bit more rare and infrequently hunted?


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Re: DOTY 2018 rule changes.
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2017, 06:10:46 PM »
Hello all, this coming year Big Jim is stepping down from running DOTY. Duane (DG) and I will be taking over.

We have about 3 weeks until the start of the next DOTY year. Is everyone happy with the rules that are in place now, and ok with keeping them the same for 2018?

If you have any suggestions or things you'd like to see changed, lets start discussing it now so we can have it set in time.

Do we want to keep it as top X amount of species, or reopen it back up to scoring all species; even those that are a bit more rare and infrequently hunted?
Include canarys and box crab, Keep the 15 limit.

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Re: DOTY 2018 rule changes.
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2017, 06:50:32 PM »
Hello all, this coming year Big Jim is stepping down from running DOTY. Duane (DG) and I will be taking over.

We have about 3 weeks until the start of the next DOTY year. Is everyone happy with the rules that are in place now, and ok with keeping them the same for 2018?

If you have any suggestions or things you'd like to see changed, lets start discussing it now so we can have it set in time.

Do we want to keep it as top X amount of species, or reopen it back up to scoring all species; even those that are a bit more rare and infrequently hunted?
Include canarys and box crab, Keep the 15 limit.

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Copy on the canaries.

Not sure about the box crabs. If they're legal game I guess its possible, but I think we'd need a lot more interested in adding that...


Is the 15 limit just because you suck at finding verms and halibut?
No i can find both of those, keep it 15 because i suck at finding sheep/perch/monkeys.
 And the canarys tend to be a lot smaller, unless you can dive 200 feet then they are tue same size, id say make them the same as the blues. ( ive never heard of a diver shooting over a 18"er before)
« Last Edit: December 06, 2017, 07:14:17 PM by ryang85 »

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Re: DOTY 2018 rule changes.
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2017, 08:21:31 PM »
Ryan, have you ever seen a canary?

Or a box crab?  And I don’t mean the one in the dive shop.

I was under the impression that you just recently got your first Red.
« Last Edit: December 06, 2017, 08:24:20 PM by Rob102 »

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Re: DOTY 2018 rule changes.
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2017, 09:03:06 PM »
Ryan, have you ever seen a canary?

Or a box crab?  And I don’t mean the one in the dive shop.

I was under the impression that you just recently got your first Red.
Ive seen a handfull of canarys( i saw mulitple canarys at  spot  before i saw my first verm)
and  ive gotten 4  reds in the last 3 weeks  at 3 different locations so im doing a little better on those stupid fish.
 And ive never  got a box crab myself but have been with people who have on a few different trips, and ive seen a lot more box crab being tacken than WSB so i figured it would be cool to add to the list.   

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Re: DOTY 2018 rule changes.
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2017, 09:35:25 PM »
Interesting. In 25 years I’ve never seen a canary. I’ve never even heard of a canary being shot in all that time. The funny thing is, they are difficult for most anglers to tell apart on the surface, so I would guess that at 80+ feet they would look almost identical. That’s why I’m fairly certain that had I ever seen one, I’d have shot it, and that would probably go for just about every diver I know.

How is it that you saw canaries before you ever saw Vermillion and you knew the difference?

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Re: DOTY 2018 rule changes.
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2017, 10:07:15 PM »
Interesting. In 25 years I’ve never seen a canary. I’ve never even heard of a canary being shot in all that time. The funny thing is, they are difficult for most anglers to tell apart on the surface, so I would guess that at 80+ feet they would look almost identical. That’s why I’m fairly certain that had I ever seen one, I’d have shot it, and that would probably go for just about every diver I know.

How is it that you saw canaries before you ever saw Vermillion and you knew the difference?
Super obvious below the water, verms are light redish silver, canaries are bright bright yellow almost white, its only this one section of the coast they come up shallow( 40 to 50 feet).

Joe got a few nice ones there this year.  The ones ive seen are usualy hanging out with the blues and were too small to shoot. I did see a 14 incher last year that nearly got shot inside a hole, but i luckily pulled off and gave it a double take. 

They dont come to baitbags, thats probably the issue

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Re: DOTY 2018 rule changes.
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2017, 05:35:09 AM »
I’ve seen one tiny Canary once about 3 years ago up in Sonoma at about 45 feet.

It was obvious to me it was a Canary.

You can see him at about 2:44 in this vid:


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Re: DOTY 2018 rule changes.
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2017, 05:59:32 AM »
The only thing I can suggest is extending the southern boundary to include all of big sur, san simeon, and cambria. Lots of good rockfish reefs that dont see a lot of pressure.

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Re: DOTY 2018 rule changes.
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2017, 06:40:58 AM »
The only thing I can suggest is extending the southern boundary to include all of big sur, san simeon, and cambria. Lots of good rockfish reefs that dont see a lot of pressure.

But...but...even Monterey is too far to drive for the Northern guys!

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The 15 specie thing is still hard for me to get, the 4 hour drive south vs the 40 minute drive  north  makes me really unmotivated to go south and basically only  have the chance to find a sheep.  Gas isnt very cheep for my pickup.

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As someome who primarily shoots fish for meat, its always been difficult for me to head south when i know i can pile  up all  fish i want to eat for the week without the travel.

 ;)

I'm looking forward to talking shit and complaining in 2018!!!!!  ;D

JK!!

 :)

Sincerely,

Jim

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Re: DOTY 2018 rule changes.
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2017, 07:43:27 AM »

😂😂 I’m sure you’re going to enjoy every second being on the other side.  Speaking of shit talking, is that “Sail” in your video Jim? That’s so original. Deep man. I don’t think anyone’s used that before.


LOL!!

I know, I know...in my kinda defense it was several years ago....you know, before everyone else and their mother used it.

 ;) ??? ::)

LOL!!!

Sincerely,

Jim

ps...I shot two Mullet this year...maybe you should add them?  :P

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Re: DOTY 2018 rule changes.
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2017, 07:51:54 AM »
Here's three things I think could be fun:

BIGGEST URCHIN - measured from spine to spine. You can put an index card against it for the measure line on the board.  :-X

COOLEST SEA TREASURE - this could be anything - an abalone pearl, an awesome shell, found dive gear, whale bone...it could be judged by Deke as the guest judge (Deke always finds cool shells and stuff, so he's got an eye for it) - it just has to be from a dive in the current year (no fair going back to your trinket shelf to pull from the past)

EPIC PHOTO - photo of the year! This could be judged by all the contestants voting, or by another guest judge. Could be anything - underwater photo, artistic photo of your catch, or the meal you cooked, or anything really.


And whatever the rules are thanks to you both for taking it on. It's gonna be fun.

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Re: DOTY 2018 rule changes.
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2017, 08:07:14 AM »
Stillwater is a 4 hour drive for me. I estimate each trip to Monterey costs $300 per day. I was doing about 2 weeks in Stillwater Cove, a week in Monterey, and two or three days in Big Sur. That a lot of money for mfe and  split tail perch that I don’t eat, and halibut that I couldn’t find.

I think that diver of the year should someone who is well rounded and can successfully hunt all the species, but I realized that I was spending a shit ton of cash because guys were upgrading fish that don’t live in my backyard. I just couldn’t keep laying out that amount of money.

When I was entering this comp, I had to travel for Coppers, Olives, Monkey face, Sheep’s Head, Perch, Kelpie, White Sea Bass and halibut.  I can tell you that after camping for a week in Monterey, diving for halibut that weren’t in, destroyed every shred of enjoyment that I had for diving. I just spent $2000 to stare at sand. After I went back to work and the fish came in, I threw my hands up and quit.

Geographically this comp is slanted toward cen cal. How about if you add lobster, Yellow Tail, calico, blue fin, yellow fin....  what about including everything that is legal take in the state, counting only the top 10 and only allowing 1 upgrade per species with no upgrades allowed within 10 days of the end of the comp?  Now everyone can compete while traveling as much or as little as they can afford and still have a chance, or to least enough to keep it enjoyable.

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Re: DOTY 2018 rule changes.
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2017, 09:34:17 AM »
The only thing I can suggest is extending the southern boundary to include all of big sur, san simeon, and cambria. Lots of good rockfish reefs that dont see a lot of pressure.

But...but...even Monterey is too far to drive for the Northern guys!

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The 15 specie thing is still hard for me to get, the 4 hour drive south vs the 40 minute drive  north  makes me really unmotivated to go south and basically only  have the chance to find a sheep.  Gas isnt very cheep for my pickup.

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As someome who primarily shoots fish for meat, its always been difficult for me to head south when i know i can pile  up all  fish i want to eat for the week without the travel.

 ;)

I'm looking forward to talking shit and complaining in 2018!!!!!  ;D

JK!!

 :)

Sincerely,

Jim


😂😂 I’m sure you’re going to enjoy every second being on the other side.  Speaking of shit talking, is that “Sail” in your video Jim? That’s so original. Deep man. I don’t think anyone’s used that before.




Suck it up Ryan. DOTY is about variety and hunting new species. It’s the same situation for people down there that need to drive up. If you shoot fish for meat then do that and don’t whine about DOTY being too far.


You’re lucky it doesn’t go further  south where you’d have to find yourself actually hunting WSB, YT etc. Which id personally rather see than shortening it up because you can’t expand even to Monterey.
If your gunna extend south, then really extend it or  even make it statewide like rob mentioned.   I would love to head south but its only worth it to me if im going far away where there are a variety of new  tasty species and not only sheep, monkeys and perch.

Maby do a boat division and kayak division.  Then you could add albacore and bluefin. They are the only realistic bluewater species in  central and northern California.   Then it would show 2 totaly different hunting capabilities.

 

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Re: DOTY 2018 rule changes.
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2017, 09:42:24 AM »
Dude why the hell do you keep mentioning perch down south
I cant find any big rubber lip perch up north, haha i see like 20" perch on doty and i strugle to find a 16"er.  Its really screwing up my 180 average im trying to hold. Haha unless you want to take to me a trophy norcal perch spot, then ill quit bringing it up.

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