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Offline JimK59

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PFI and FII instructor/class recommendations
« on: September 04, 2017, 08:53:42 PM »
I am thinking of taking a freedive class from either Performance Freediving International or Freediving Instructors International.  There are classes held on Catalina Island (Avalon) with Ryan Keene, and another class in San Diego (La Jolla) with Bobby Kim.  Has anyone taken a class from either of these guys or taken a class in either of these locations?  ANY free dive instructor recommendations would be appreciated.  Dive safe.


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Re: PFI and FII instructor/class recommendations
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2017, 09:03:38 PM »
Are you located in SoCal?

If not there are good instructors up here.

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Re: PFI and FII instructor/class recommendations
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2017, 09:35:08 PM »
Are you located in SoCal?

If not there are good instructors up here.
True at least one good instructor is on this site.  So Cal may be easier as Visibility is usually better and should make you at least feel better during the class.  It won't translate into diving longer in colder or murky water so I am glad I took my classes up north. 

With that said I am interested in taking the level 2 class and going 120 feet but will most likely go to So Cal or Hawaii for it as nor cal waters that deep doesn't appeal to me.   

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Re: PFI and FII instructor/class recommendations
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2017, 06:41:59 PM »
Are you located in SoCal?

If not there are good instructors up here.
I am located in Marin County, but am having problems locating a good instructor/class up this way.  Any suggestions?


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Re: PFI and FII instructor/class recommendations
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2017, 08:13:10 PM »
I am thinking of taking a freedive class from either Performance Freediving International or Freediving Instructors International.  There are classes held on Catalina Island (Avalon)

Several years back I took the PFI class in Newport beach with dive @ casino point then open water boat dive. The instructors were Kirk, Mandy, Craig Gentry and some dude from Hawaii. I forgot his name but he claimed diving 200'+  :o, hands free of course. All four instructors boast multiple blackouts...lol. This was in April when the water was about 55-56 degrees and vis was epic. I could see all four dive lines, anchors, students and dive platform/floats from 100'+ depth. As noted above, I highly recommend diving good vis if at all possible. Not to mention warmer water equals less lead, huge plus. My dive weight was 12# with 5 mil suit @180#

btw I didn't see Catalina on either PFI or FII ?

Good luck in your search

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Re: PFI and FII instructor/class recommendations
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2017, 08:24:20 PM »
Kris Cortez

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Re: PFI and FII instructor/class recommendations
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2017, 08:51:03 PM »
I am thinking of taking a freedive class from either Performance Freediving International or Freediving Instructors International.  There are classes held on Catalina Island (Avalon)
I highly recommend diving good vis if at all possible. Not to mention warmer water equals less lead, huge plus. My dive weight was 12# with 5 mil suit @180#

btw I didn't see Catalina on either PFI or FII ?

Good luck in your search

I'm going to chime in and second the recommendation for high viz. My FII level 1 was conducted in Oceanside, CA. It was February and cold. Once the boat dropped anchor and we jumped in, the water was green and viz was approx 8-10'. This didn't lend well for all of us, mentally or physically. A third of the guys didn't reach 66', all of which previously hit statics the day before in the pool of 3 mins. I guess it goes to show how much mental influence there is with our diving. I guarantee that if we were in 80 degree water in Hawaii, it wouldn't have been an issue.

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Re: PFI and FII instructor/class recommendations
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2017, 09:11:09 PM »
I think you should get training in the water you are going to dive in. Who cares if you can dive 20 meters in Hawaii if you live here and can't hit the mark here after training.

Besides safety and technique, the best thing I took away from the training was that when I dove 20 meters in cold water with shit visibility, I had been there before. It wasn't a dive into the unknown.

If you want a personal best, by all means go seek out the best conditions. If you want to shoot a Ling Cod or Vermillion in 60 fow on the north coast you should learn to dive that deep here.

As for not everyone passing or hitting the max depth...  that's how it goes. It's not made for everyone to pass. Not everyone is ready to dive that deep. If the class is so easy that everyone can do it, what the hell is it really worth?  I don't want to be trained to the level of competence of the worst diver in the class. On the contrary, I want the training to be challenging enough that I actually have to learn and modify my technique in order to pass. Otherwise all you need is a babysitter to hand you a certificate when hit the target depth.

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Re: PFI and FII instructor/class recommendations
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2017, 09:13:48 PM »
I guarantee that if we were in 80 degree water in Hawaii, it wouldn't have been an issue.
May be true for the mental issues related to the dive, but even in clear water some can't clear or have Ear issues which prevent them from going to the recommended class depth. 

Kris Cortez

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Kris is a great instructor and really emphasizes safety.  He may be willing to schedule a class if more people have an interest. 

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Re: PFI and FII instructor/class recommendations
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2017, 08:09:39 AM »
Agreed with what's has been  said. Save yourself $$ and just do a local trip, this is
I am thinking of taking a freedive class from either Performance Freediving International or Freediving Instructors International.  There are classes held on Catalina Island (Avalon)

Several years back I took the PFI class in Newport beach with dive @ casino point then open water boat dive. The instructors were Kirk, Mandy, Craig Gentry and some dude from Hawaii. I forgot his name but he claimed diving 200'+  :o, hands free of course. All four instructors boast multiple blackouts...lol. This was in April when the water was about 55-56 degrees and vis was epic. I could see all four dive lines, anchors, students and dive platform/floats from 100'+ depth. As noted above, I highly recommend diving good vis if at all possible. Not to mention warmer water equals less lead, huge plus. My dive weight was 12# with 5 mil suit @180#

btw I didn't see Catalina on either PFI or FII ?

Good luck in your search

Boast about there blackouts? Just my opinion but I would not want to take their class. I get it happens but it's not a cool thing. BOs put not only your life in danger but also your dive buddy. Not to mention after a BO your done for the day along with your buddies dive day.
I would recommend taking it up here. Like Rob said practice in your territory, and besides if you can do a 75' drop with 5' viz Doing it in so Cal will be much easier.

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Re: PFI and FII instructor/class recommendations
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2017, 09:23:51 AM »
I think you should get training in the water you are going to dive in. Who cares if you can dive 20 meters in Hawaii if you live here and can't hit the mark here after training.

Besides safety and technique, the best thing I took away from the training was that when I dove 20 meters in cold water with shit visibility, I had been there before. It wasn't a dive into the unknown.

If you want a personal best, by all means go seek out the best conditions. If you want to shoot a Ling Cod or Vermillion in 60 fow on the north coast you should learn to dive that deep here.

As for not everyone passing or hitting the max depth...  that's how it goes. It's not made for everyone to pass. Not everyone is ready to dive that deep. If the class is so easy that everyone can do it, what the hell is it really worth?  I don't want to be trained to the level of competence of the worst diver in the class. On the contrary, I want the training to be challenging enough that I actually have to learn and modify my technique in order to pass. Otherwise all you need is a babysitter to hand you a certificate when hit the target depth.

spot on rob. i took the fii level 1 with dan koval in the cold crap viz of norcal, take the class where you are going to dive.

taking a freedive class was honestly the best decision i could have made, provides good safety techniques and protocols. and to second what rob said, if everyone passed the class i would not have the respect for the training as i do now.
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Re: PFI and FII instructor/class recommendations
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2017, 04:37:31 PM »
X 100 for Kris.

Great guy, excellent diver and hunter, patient and attentive instructor.

 :)

Sincerely,

Jim

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Re: PFI and FII instructor/class recommendations
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2017, 08:12:31 PM »

Boast about there blackouts? Just my opinion but I would not want to take their class.

Your loss!

 The question was asked on the first day in class, has anybody ever had a blackout? and all instructors raised hands. They shared their experience and ALL students learned from it!  These instructors were/are badass. I don't regret for one minute taking their class/instruction. I will probably never again be in the company of that caliber of divers....ever!
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Re: PFI and FII instructor/class recommendations
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2017, 09:07:53 PM »

Boast about there blackouts? Just my opinion but I would not want to take their class.

Your loss!

 The question was asked on the first day in class, has anybody ever had a blackout? and all instructors raised hands. They shared their experience and ALL students learned from it!  These instructors were/are badass. I don't regret for one minute taking their class/instruction. I will probably never again be in the company of that caliber of divers....ever!

If they were sharing their mistakes as a teaching experience for the class, and not actually boasting about blacking out and surviving, that's different. But I agree with Sir Rob completely, and I believe what he was getting at was they shouldn't be spreading some BS macho stigma about blackouts to anyone (especially students).

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Re: PFI and FII instructor/class recommendations
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2017, 09:34:43 PM »

Boast about there blackouts? Just my opinion but I would not want to take their class.

Your loss!

 The question was asked on the first day in class, has anybody ever had a blackout? and all instructors raised hands. They shared their experience and ALL students learned from it!  These instructors were/are badass. I don't regret for one minute taking their class/instruction. I will probably never again be in the company of that caliber of divers....ever!

So they talked about it as a learning experience or did they boast about it two different things. www.dictionary.com is a great tool if you got confused

 

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