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General Discussion => Freediving Discussion => Topic started by: Glaucus on April 02, 2010, 10:53:05 AM

Title: Bottom time
Post by: Glaucus on April 02, 2010, 10:53:05 AM
Just curious what kind of bottom time you guys are getting.  I know from my time diving.  Most of the decent divers I've been out with are hitting like 45 seconds to a minute. (((No, I never timed Matt or Brandon when I've been out with them)) This is a super rough estimate due to the fact that I'm counting in my head and I'm throwing out the countless 20-30 second dives I've seen. 

I wore a freedive watch one day last year and was hitting like 55-75 seconds.  I felt like I wasn't having my best day, but at the sametime I think I may have been pushing it a little 'cause I was looking at the clock quite a bit.  These were dives in 30-35 feet of water and just poking around at the bottom (as opposed to trying to cover a lot of ground). 

You guys just got me thinking about it with the 2 minute goals.  Anyone out there hitting that?  Or even witness someone who can?  I'm talking fully legit timed and repeated.  I've had people tell me "dude, you were down like 2 minutes!!!", but after actually timing myself I know this is WAY OFF.
Title: Re: Bottom time
Post by: JASON HOLLIDAY on April 02, 2010, 11:06:44 AM
 My bottom time changes with conditions. I have gone down and had my dive buddys looking for me not knowing where I went and Ive also gone down and came streight back up. The better the vis the longer I can stay on the bottom and cover ground but when the vis is crap I dont spend much time traveling I rather put my focus on marked spots in shallower water15-20'+/-. I had 1 great day last season hitting between 40-50' at van damme for the first time that showed that anything is possible if you put in the time and effort. now that I have the knowledge that I can hit 45' I have found myself pushing each time I get the chance. Now I just wanna drop in at 60' and wave to some scuba divers just for the fun of it.... :laughing7:
Title: Re: Bottom time
Post by: rangair94 on April 02, 2010, 12:21:20 PM
I am hoping to get 2 minute total dive times. I am not looking to much for depth. I usually have a hard time equalizing a lot. I usually hit 20 to 30 feet. I just like to cruise around on the bottom for a while.
Title: Re: Bottom time
Post by: winklecl on April 02, 2010, 02:10:33 PM
I am hoping to get 2 minute total dive times. I am not looking to much for depth. I usually have a hard time equalizing a lot. I usually hit 20 to 30 feet. I just like to cruise around on the bottom for a while.

I'm with allen on this one. If you're looking for big abs they will be in this depth range. The longer you're down the more chance you have to find them. I save the 40'+ for scuba. Otherwise I find myself fighting my equalizing time with bottom time. Really cuts into a dive.
Title: Re: Bottom time
Post by: Glaucus on April 02, 2010, 02:32:10 PM
Allen,
I'm just curious, how long you staying down already?  You close to 2 minutes?
Title: Re: Bottom time
Post by: rangair94 on April 02, 2010, 03:23:36 PM
Around a minute. The last few times I went out I started to concentrate on relaxing and breathing. some of the stuff you are supposed to do. I went from like 30 to 40 second dives to around 60. I think that if I continue to focus on those things I could hit 2 minutes. I also like to hold my breath and walk around the house sometimes. I used to do static, but I think this way is more like diving and helps your body get used to it.
Title: Re: Bottom time
Post by: NorCal DiverDave on April 03, 2010, 01:13:49 PM
I can hold my breath for over 1 minute on the couch but in the water it is more like 30 seconds.
Like Jason says I can go deeper with good vis. Up here i go 20 feet, in Monterey on a clear day I can go 40 feet.
Title: Re: Bottom time
Post by: mot on April 03, 2010, 06:11:42 PM
I have never timed myself but I am pretty sure I can only hold for about 30 sec. average. I know that I can stay down longer when it is clear. When the vis is nada and the lights go out on the way down I run out of air fast! I also know that when I find a ab that I want I can force myself to ignore the urge to breath for a little longer. I can hold my breath sitting in my chair for 2 minutes or so but when you add cold water,stress of swimming and such it goes way down. I am sure if I keep working on it I will get better. I don't know how deep I can dive I think it is around 20 or 25 feet but I think that I like about 15.
Title: Re: Bottom time
Post by: MATT MATTISON on April 03, 2010, 09:33:40 PM
I had 1 great day last season hitting between 40-50' at van damme . :laughing7:

 :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs:
Your my bro and all jason but 50ft  :bs:it was more like 40ft that day unless my dive watch was wrong I still love ya though  :icon_thumright:
Title: Re: Bottom time
Post by: JASON HOLLIDAY on April 03, 2010, 09:59:30 PM
  Its cool bro call my bluff thats why I said between 40-50 it was like 41-42 still my best dive and a memoral day and all it proved is that I can do it. I still havent been able to get close since then but with some more time and practice and knowledge along with the right dive partners I believe my goal is within my reach sometime in the future. I can tell you this last season was my best I was able to go from 10-15' diver to a 20-30' diver and I believe it had alot to do with the partners I had pushing me to do better and sharing knowledge to sharpen my abilitys in the water. You all know who you are and thanks. Oh and Matt  :thefinger:  :laughing7: :laughing7:
Title: Re: Bottom time
Post by: Kai Kane on April 04, 2010, 09:32:23 AM
Conditions definately play a huge part in my dive times. on my last dive in carmel we had some of the greatest conditioins ive ever goten down there.  Now my usual dive times were about 40sec. This day logging with my immersion prowler dive computer I was hitting 2 min. plus.  Longest was 2:16.  Couldnt believe it.  I would just cruise to the bottom and using my hands poull myself along the rocks.  Hope the next dive goes anywhere near that one. :icon_thumright:
Title: Re: Bottom time
Post by: MATT MATTISON on April 04, 2010, 10:12:00 AM
  Its cool bro call my bluff thats why I said between 40-50 it was like 41-42 still my best dive and a memoral day and all it proved is that I can do it. I still havent been able to get close since then but with some more time and practice and knowledge along with the right dive partners I believe my goal is within my reach sometime in the future. I can tell you this last season was my best I was able to go from 10-15' diver to a 20-30' diver and I believe it had alot to do with the partners I had pushing me to do better and sharing knowledge to sharpen my abilitys in the water. You all know who you are and thanks. Oh and Matt  :thefinger:  :laughing7: :laughing7:
Right on brother  :laughing7:
Title: Re: Bottom time
Post by: Tino B on April 04, 2010, 05:09:58 PM
I guess it all depends on the conditions and water temp.
In NorCal my dives range from 45-70 seconds tops.  If I can't get it done it that amount of time then I will just have to go back, ha ha.
When the water is warm and clear its a different story. 
Its funny how many east coast or SoCal divers come to our 50deg water and have a hard time staying down longer than 45 seconds.   Not to mention dealing with the crappy viz and the heavy surge.
Being able to hit deep depths is not as important as being in control when you get there.
If you move too fast and clunky not staying smooth in your actions, you will burn up extra air and be heading for the surface in no time. 
When you can learn to stay calm, and keep things smooth and focused you can accomplish a lot in only 60 seconds. 
I am still learning to be calm.
The more you dive the better you will get at it. 
At least that is what I tell my wife, ha ha.
Depths for hunting CenCal 3-65'   average 30'
                          NorCal 10-55'  average 30'
Title: Re: Bottom time
Post by: Fis_Hunter on April 07, 2010, 06:43:19 PM
I do not have a dive watch so I have no idea how long I can stay down.  The deepest I have hit up north is 48'.  Down south the deepest I hit was about 44' or at least that was how deep I was diving looking for all the gear Mike from spearboard said it was when he lost his fins gun and belt.  Vic T and I spent an hour hunting for mikes stuff with no luck.  I would guess I was averaging about 45 seconds to 1 minute.  Diving in hawaii I was able to stay down longer. 

Satic breath hold last year PB was 4 minutes six seconds.  I cant come anywhere near it under water.
Title: Re: Bottom time
Post by: Glaucus on April 08, 2010, 04:14:02 PM
Seems like there are a bunch of us that are right there at 45-60 seconds with a few dives to 70 seconds, and nobody claims to be doing much at or below 50' on a regular basis.  Many of us put down for goals that we'd like to improve towards 2:00 and being proficient at the 50'-60' level (other than pulling 10's these were the most common goals). 

Anyone else interested in doing some sort of team work towards achieving these goals?  I know I've heard a few guys talk about diving Lake Ross on less than perfect days just to work on technique, but so far I've never heard or seen anyone do it. 

Many of us have been diving for several years now, so what's going to make this a breakout year for all of us???  Anyone else have any ideas how we're going to get there?
Title: Re: Bottom time
Post by: MATT MATTISON on April 08, 2010, 04:26:16 PM
Simple Time in the Water !
Title: Re: Bottom time
Post by: Brandon Turknett on April 08, 2010, 04:33:46 PM
time in the water but you also need to push yourself a little each time
Title: Re: Bottom time
Post by: Stacy Stephenson on April 08, 2010, 08:33:40 PM
Get your mind set in tune with your goal as well, but know your limitations. If your going to practice, make sure you have buddy watching. Safety in numbers.
Title: Re: Bottom time
Post by: Glaucus on April 09, 2010, 11:27:34 AM
Yeah, a lot of us have quite a bit of time in the water, but what's going to make this year different from all the rest?  Stacy is right, dive with a buddy, but not just for safety.  What I'd like is a buddy that can help me hit my goals while he makes sure I make it back to shore without a toe tag.

Diving is VERY individual, because only you know how your body feels.  However, it's a lot easier for a buddy to tell you if you're duck dive is off, or you're not going straight down or... the list goes on and on.

But yes, if you don't put the time in, as with anything else, you wont see progress.
Title: Re: Bottom time
Post by: JASON HOLLIDAY on April 09, 2010, 12:17:41 PM
  You are both right and I have proof...Last season I started as a 10-15' diver max and because of the buddys I had I have become much more comfortable at moderate depth. Im not saying I have the best bottom time or even the deepest dives but I consider myself to be a more well rounded diver going into this season. The knowlege I have gained and the push from good friends and dive buddys has dramaticly changed my prespective in the water I have gained bottom time aswell as depth and comfort. This season I strive to smooth out the rough edges and expand my skill even further. I dont know if I will hit 60' or even a 2 min dive but what I do know is that I will be takeing advice from this thread and I will try and be more graceful and smooth in the water to make sure to not burn my energy or my oxagen too quickly.
Title: Re: Bottom time
Post by: rangair94 on April 09, 2010, 02:54:37 PM
Its up to yourself to make this year different. If your goal is not to increase your dive time, you are not going to. I can't speak for everyone on this board, but most everyone I know is always looking to improve. Diving is one of those things that you can always improve on. Even if you are trying or not. Every time you dive you get that much more comfortable in the water, in turn slowing you consumption of oxygen, and allowing you to stay under longer. 

If you are looking for someone to lay out a plan for you to improve your dive time. I don't think it can be done by anyone on this board. Everyone is going to improve differently. I don't think anyone here is knowledgeable enough to asses and critique anyone elses technique, aside from the physical form of diving. Its up to the diver to figure out what works for them. You might try a website focused more on freediving like deeperblue.com. In my opinion the only way you are going to improve is time in the water. Its like training for war no matter what kind of training you do it wont compare to the real thing.
Title: Re: Bottom time
Post by: Glaucus on April 09, 2010, 03:45:35 PM
Yes, clearly I'm on the wrong website...   I have competed in various endurance and technique sports all my life and have had many extremely helpful peers.  Guess I'm barking up the wrong tree on here though, no worries.   :wave:

Jason, keep up the good work!  Make sure you go to the clinic at Bamboo Reef, there was some great info and was just plain interesting on top of that. 

Title: Re: Bottom time
Post by: Glaucus on April 13, 2010, 11:24:40 AM
Conditions definately play a huge part in my dive times. on my last dive in carmel we had some of the greatest conditioins ive ever goten down there.  Now my usual dive times were about 40sec. This day logging with my immersion prowler dive computer I was hitting 2 min. plus.  Longest was 2:16.  Couldnt believe it.  I would just cruise to the bottom and using my hands poull myself along the rocks.  Hope the next dive goes anywhere near that one. :icon_thumright:

Damn Kai, that must feel like you're down there forever!  Were you using any new techniques or anything else that would account for so much more bottom time?  That's a huge breakthrough! 
Title: Re: Bottom time
Post by: Dino222 on April 13, 2010, 11:38:24 AM
Nice going Kai
I'm about like you with around 40 sec avg. and want to get to 2 min. So what was your secret ?
Title: Re: Bottom time
Post by: Kai Kane on April 14, 2010, 10:09:10 AM
That Day I had already gotten some good fish, so I was basically swimming around and trying to work on technique. 

My routine was;
Relax on the the top totally static for about 60 sec.
Then do 4-5 breathe ups totally exhaling on two of them
relax again for a few seconds and then take 2 large breaths
trying to work on form I would bring my body out of the water as much as I could and dive down letting my body wheight take me down, with a few kicks.

once on the bottom just really trying to conserve my energy and using my hands more than my legs seemed to help alot.

after coming back up I try to stay up just as long or longer than I was down and do it all over again.

Really working on my breath ups made the real difference and relaxing my body.

Hope that could help someone break there times! :headbang:
Title: Re: Bottom time
Post by: scubastern on June 02, 2010, 09:04:59 PM
I have never timed myself on coldwater dives but have free'd a stuck anchor at 65' in tropical temp water. Also, just to see, I was able to breath hold at the bottom of a pool for 4:20 after extended prebreathing. My wife timed me from the pool bar and had a fair crowd of spectators by the time I came up (brain damage jokes were rampant :tongue3:). Of course I wouldn't be able to pull close to that while actively freediving.
Title: Re: Bottom time
Post by: Lokumoto on June 03, 2010, 03:51:45 PM
Lots of time in the water with out of water training helps me. I have severe asthma, and practicing my technique out of water has helped me a lot over that last few years.
Title: Re: Bottom time
Post by: aquaman on July 02, 2010, 11:09:26 PM
Try out underwater hockey if there is a club near you http://norcalunderwaterhunters.com/forum/index.php?topic=1696.0 (http://norcalunderwaterhunters.com/forum/index.php?topic=1696.0)

Diving is the best training for diving, but most of us can't dive enough times during the week to use diving as the only means of training.  Pool work is good, but only if you have a partner because pushing yourself under water will likely lead to a blackout at some point.  I blacked out during a freediving class I took from freedivers.net. When it happened I was clipped into a line and i had 2 safety divers watching me.  My blackout only lasted a few seconds before they had me awake again.  But it drove home the point that it is not safe to train solo underwater.  Thats the upside to Underwater hockey you have 6-12 other guys in the pool with you and you are all doing underwater training. 

If you cant do breathold work in a pool because you can't find a partner you can do it on dry land with very good results.  My friend lives in Sac. and can't get to the coast as often as he would like.  He does dry land breatholds and has a 2:30 diving breathold on good days.  He can easily hunt past 60 feet in norcal and has shot a fish past 100 feet in warm water.  I think it is still important to swim laps with fins to fine tune you fin stroke.  If you search apnea tables on deep blue you will find a good place to start.  I am not disciplined enough to do apnea tables, but when I was swimming a lot I had the breatholds and depths that you are looking to achieve.  They are obtainable by the average guy.  It is just a frame of mind.  Think about it this way: the competitive feedivers are doing over 100 M (328 feet) with a mono fin!  But then there isn't really any reason to dive deeper then 20 feet in norcal, except for the novelty of it.

Train safe
Title: Re: Bottom time
Post by: AB MAN on July 05, 2010, 08:50:03 PM
I have a D3 freedive watch and typically dive 45-60 sec at depths just past 40'.....sounds pretty average for the group.

Good for abs, but I'd like to increase bottom time for hunting fish.