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Title: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: charlierobinton on August 30, 2018, 03:03:44 PM
Hey everyone,

So, I used to live up in Washington and have spent basically my entire adult life working around fishermen, so I hear a lot of fish stories. I've had quite a few anglers over the years tell me stories about big lingcod coming up off the bottom to attack a hooked salmon or engulf a rockfish at the boat. I just got to wondering, does this ever happen with spearos?

I was in Baja a few months ago just poking around on a shore dive and had a small cabrilla on my belt that I'd shot. A cubera in the 40-50lb range came out of the deep blue and hovered very close to me for about 5 minutes. I could tell he wanted to make a snack of my fish. I wasn't prepared for that kind of fight so I let him be... but it convinced me that even on a shallow dive I probably shouldn't be wearing fish on my body down there!

Any lingcod stories out there?

Cheers and safe diving,

Charlie
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: Rob102 on August 30, 2018, 04:31:18 PM
Occasionally Ling Cod will come out of a hole and grab a rock fish or Ling Cod that is shot and making spasmodic movements. That’s one reason I use a backup gun. If you have a gun on a floatline and a Ling Cod takes your fish let her have it. Go back and get your second gun and shoot the Ling if you want it.

I’ve never had a Ling Cod try for a fish on my kui. If it did it wouldn’t be a problem anyway.
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: TheKeeneroo on August 30, 2018, 04:32:30 PM
That's a great way to bring out the big lingcod for your buddy... shoot a fish, ling comes out to eat it, and buddy gets the ling... lesson is always check the caves first. hahah
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: naturalSelection on August 30, 2018, 05:06:04 PM
I was diving up north a few months back. My buddy shoots like a 12" b&y or something smaller. 32" ling bolts up from the depths and lock jaws his rockfish. The ling was stubborn, so my buddy had enough time to calmly string the ling (haha) through the gills, attach him to the kayak, and remove spear from rockfish. Got a nice ling Cod with no damage to the fillet!
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: SnailHunter on August 30, 2018, 05:28:41 PM
I had a just shot a black rock fish and was at the surface pulling it up.  A ling chased it but passed the fish and bit my hand.  The teeth went through my 3mm glove and sliced up my hand pretty good.  I spotted him on a few dives but wasn't able to land a shot on him.
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: charlierobinton on August 31, 2018, 11:34:04 AM
Awesome stories guys! And some nice tips thrown in too!
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: Mike n on August 31, 2018, 12:04:27 PM
I had several fish on my shooting line, the gun was loaded on the bottom at the end of my float line.  While breathing up I watched a ling try to eat some of my fish.  On the way down I pulled the gun away from the ling and shot it.

MN
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: Seadog on August 31, 2018, 02:26:10 PM
Haha. Yup! Just a couple weekends ago I was diving in Sonoma and left my gun on the bottom marking a large, nice looking hole. I had a blue rockfish strung on my shooting line that I actually kinda forgot I had on there. After breathing up and diving back down I noticed my floatline taking a 90 degree turn into the cave. A big ling took the fish along with my entire gun deep into her hole and she did not want to give it up easily. After a great deal of thrashing around and after (what seemed to be) a rather uncomfortable length of time I was able to wrestle my gun back. I waited about 15 mins or so for the dust to settle a bit and went back down to the hole but couldn't see anything. Remarkable the rockfish was still on my shooting line and moderately intact so I stuck my gun as deep as I could and dangled the fish around and sure enough a big head emerged quickly outta the murk to investigate and I was able to pull off a clean shot. 16 pounder, was worth the fight!
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: John on September 02, 2018, 12:16:40 PM
First ling I ever shot was still my PB. I didn't know anything about ike jime or gill ripping so I hugged her against my chest while she thrashed about and wrestled her into my float. Next thing I know, my float is deflated and sinking. She bit a huge bite out of my float tube! All I kept thinking was that she could have bit my throat!
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: TheKeeneroo on September 04, 2018, 09:01:31 AM
Haha. Yup! Just a couple weekends ago I was diving in Sonoma and left my gun on the bottom marking a large, nice looking hole. I had a blue rockfish strung on my shooting line that I actually kinda forgot I had on there. After breathing up and diving back down I noticed my floatline taking a 90 degree turn into the cave. A big ling took the fish along with my entire gun deep into her hole and she did not want to give it up easily. After a great deal of thrashing around and after (what seemed to be) a rather uncomfortable length of time I was able to wrestle my gun back. I waited about 15 mins or so for the dust to settle a bit and went back down to the hole but couldn't see anything. Remarkable the rockfish was still on my shooting line and moderately intact so I stuck my gun as deep as I could and dangled the fish around and sure enough a big head emerged quickly outta the murk to investigate and I was able to pull off a clean shot. 16 pounder, was worth the fight!


This story is epic!
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: TheKeeneroo on September 04, 2018, 09:02:53 AM
First ling I ever shot was still my PB. I didn't know anything about ike jime or gill ripping so I hugged her against my chest while she thrashed about and wrestled her into my float. Next thing I know, my float is deflated and sinking. She bit a huge bite out of my float tube! All I kept thinking was that she could have bit my throat!

Doming/braining and gilling is definitely worth it for the sake of the meat and the humane treatment of the fish. There are several how to's on Youtube. Let me know if you'd like help figuring it out.
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: Rob102 on September 04, 2018, 09:42:11 AM
First ling I ever shot was still my PB. I didn't know anything about ike jime or gill ripping so I hugged her against my chest while she thrashed about and wrestled her into my float. Next thing I know, my float is deflated and sinking. She bit a huge bite out of my float tube! All I kept thinking was that she could have bit my throat!

Doming/braining and gilling is definitely worth it for the sake of the meat and the humane treatment of the fish. There are several how to's on Youtube. Let me know if you'd like help figuring it out.

If you brain a fish it will die, but if you cut the gills the heart will pump out all of the blood and the meat will be better. Better to cut the gills.
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: kodama on September 05, 2018, 12:29:14 PM
I do both ike jime to kill the fish asap preventing the build up of lactic acid and then cut the gills.
The blood still leaks out maybe not as fast as with a beating heart but I am not sure if that’s really necessary.  Preventing possible sourness I because of lactic acid I find most important.

If you have the ability to put the fish on ice straight away that might help too.


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Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: Rob102 on September 05, 2018, 01:09:18 PM
I do both ike jime to kill the fish asap preventing the build up of lactic acid and then cut the gills.
The blood still leaks out maybe not as fast as with a beating heart but I am not sure if that’s really necessary.  Preventing possible sourness I because of lactic acid I find most important.

If you have the ability to put the fish on ice straight away that might help too.


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What type of fish are you shooting that get acidosis?
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: MinnowHunter on September 05, 2018, 02:59:14 PM
I do both ike jime to kill the fish asap preventing the build up of lactic acid and then cut the gills.
The blood still leaks out maybe not as fast as with a beating heart but I am not sure if that’s really necessary.  Preventing possible sourness I because of lactic acid I find most important.

If you have the ability to put the fish on ice straight away that might help too.


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What type of fish are you shooting that get acidosis?

Does it moo? i heard if there diet changes to rapidly to rich grass or grains it can be a problem.Would need one big cooler to get a moo fish in there.
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: Shark Slayer on September 05, 2018, 04:25:31 PM

Does it moo? i heard if there diet changes to rapidly to rich grass or grains it can be a problem.Would need one big cooler to get a moo fish in there.

A Moo Fish? Sounds like a bunch of bull to me.
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: MinnowHunter on September 05, 2018, 07:15:33 PM

Does it moo? i heard if there diet changes to rapidly to rich grass or grains it can be a problem.Would need one big cooler to get a moo fish in there.

A Moo Fish? Sounds like a bunch of bull to me.

maybe you should ruminate on it some more
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: kodama on September 06, 2018, 12:36:46 AM
I do both ike jime to kill the fish asap preventing the build up of lactic acid and then cut the gills.
The blood still leaks out maybe not as fast as with a beating heart but I am not sure if that’s really necessary.  Preventing possible sourness I because of lactic acid I find most important.

If you have the ability to put the fish on ice straight away that might help too.


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What type of fish are you shooting that get acidosis?
Lactic acid builds up in any muscle (meat) after intense or prolonged use. It is not species related and can happen to any fish I suppose.
I try to brain the fish asap since any stress or intense activity could  potentially influence taste. So I was thought by my Japanese friend/teacher a line and hook fisherman.


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Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: kodama on September 06, 2018, 12:45:20 AM
... and I am not sure to what extent braining and bleeding really have a huge effect. But I think I have noticed diminished taste with some bass especially a larger one that put up a decent fight 
I guess it won’t hurt... No pun intended.


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Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: Rob102 on September 06, 2018, 01:13:10 AM
I can understand that logic. When you catch fish hook and line they fight from the moment you hook them until you get them on the stringer and off the hook.

When you shoot them, if you don’t take the fish out of the water they don’t struggle for more than a few seconds. When you put them on the stringer they stay docile. They bleed out in a couple minutes and die.

I used to brain fish when I was concerned about sharks and didn’t want them bleeding in the water. The meat is cleaner when it’s bled than when it’s brained. It seems more humane to brain them, but I suppose that’s more for our emotional well-being than for the quality of the meat.

To each their own.
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: the_derek on September 06, 2018, 07:35:55 AM
... but I suppose that’s more for our emotional well-being than for the quality of the meat.

To each their own.

this is why i hug them before i brain them
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: TheKeeneroo on September 06, 2018, 08:06:35 AM
... but I suppose that’s more for our emotional well-being than for the quality of the meat.

To each their own.

this is why i hug them before i brain them

a good night time song helps calm them down too. "Baby beluga in the deep blue sea" works well on most species.
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: kodama on September 06, 2018, 10:41:25 AM
... but I suppose that’s more for our emotional well-being than for the quality of the meat.

To each their own.

this is why i hug them before i brain them
You see, now I learned something! I am going to add hugging to my killing routine.


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Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: rluiz on September 06, 2018, 01:21:49 PM
I do both ike jime to kill the fish asap preventing the build up of lactic acid and then cut the gills.
The blood still leaks out maybe not as fast as with a beating heart but I am not sure if that’s really necessary.  Preventing possible sourness I because of lactic acid I find most important.

If you have the ability to put the fish on ice straight away that might help too.


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What type of fish are you shooting that get acidosis?
Lactic acid builds up in any muscle (meat) after intense or prolonged use. It is not species related and can happen to any fish I suppose.
I try to brain the fish asap since any stress or intense activity could  potentially influence taste. So I was thought by my Japanese friend/teacher a line and hook fisherman.


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If you brian ASAP, your killing the heart, would this affect the bleeding process?
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: Rob102 on September 06, 2018, 01:43:34 PM
Of course it would. Without the heart the only way to get the blood out, or the lactic acid for that matter, is for gravity to drain it or for pressure to squeeze it out. Since we hang the fish by the head it won’t drain and I doubt the pressure pushing nearly equal on all sides will force much blood out at all. Lactic acid may cease to build up but it will never be reduced as it is carried out of the muscles through the blood stream. The best way to purge the fish is to bleed it. That’s why commercial hook and line guys take the time to bleed fish even though it makes a huge mess and that have to constantly wash down the deck. They wouldn’t waste the time or effort if it didn’t make a difference.
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: rluiz on September 06, 2018, 01:58:45 PM
Of course it would. Without the heart the only way to get the blood out, or the lactic acid for that matter, is for gravity to drain it or for pressure to squeeze it out. Since we hang the fish by the head it won’t drain and I doubt the pressure pushing nearly equal on all sides will force much blood out at all. Lactic acid may cease to build up but it will never be reduced as it is carried out of the muscles through the blood stream. The best way to purge the fish is to bleed it. That’s why commercial hook and line guys take the time to bleed fish even though it makes a huge mess and that have to constantly wash down the deck. They wouldn’t waste the time or effort if it didn’t make a difference.
Thought so, Ill keep with just bleeding the fish. I do however brain if it is a big fish and I am worried its thrashing will break my old stringer lines.
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: Rob102 on September 06, 2018, 02:44:00 PM
Of course it would. Without the heart the only way to get the blood out, or the lactic acid for that matter, is for gravity to drain it or for pressure to squeeze it out. Since we hang the fish by the head it won’t drain and I doubt the pressure pushing nearly equal on all sides will force much blood out at all. Lactic acid may cease to build up but it will never be reduced as it is carried out of the muscles through the blood stream. The best way to purge the fish is to bleed it. That’s why commercial hook and line guys take the time to bleed fish even though it makes a huge mess and that have to constantly wash down the deck. They wouldn’t waste the time or effort if it didn’t make a difference.
Thought so, Ill keep with just bleeding the fish. I do however brain if it is a big fish and I am worried its thrashing will break my old stringer lines.

I still do it when I’m concerned about Whitey
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: Rob102 on September 06, 2018, 04:35:24 PM
Thought so, Ill keep with just bleeding the fish. I do however brain if it is a big fish and I am worried its thrashing will break my old stringer lines.

I change my stringer mono every year, but regardless whether you string those big Ling Cod through the eyes or the mouth they aren’t going to saw through your line. Just change it when it’s frayed and don’t worry about it. If you run multiple mono stringers keep them on opposite sides of the kayak so they don’t tangle. Personally I use a kui and when I get to the kayak I put the fish on a heavy hoop stringer. I have the hoop stringer on a nylon webbing loop with a big brass clip. This allows the stringer to hang over the side vertically, completely submerged.
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: rluiz on September 06, 2018, 07:25:54 PM
Thought so, Ill keep with just bleeding the fish. I do however brain if it is a big fish and I am worried its thrashing will break my old stringer lines.

I change my stringer mono every year, but regardless whether you string those big Ling Cod through the eyes or the mouth they aren’t going to saw through your line. Just change it when it’s frayed and don’t worry about it. If you run multiple mono stringers keep them on opposite sides of the kayak so they don’t tangle. Personally I use a kui and when I get to the kayak I put the fish on a heavy hoop stringer. I have the hoop stringer on a nylon webbing loop with a big brass clip. This allows the stringer to hang over the side vertically, completely submerged.

Valid point about whitey, never thought about him was always more worried about seals hitting my stringers.  My lines never get frayed interesting enough, just worn out for being tangled or wrapped up so much. Is this what you mean by frayed? I agree about the kui, also if I'm low on weight Ill keep fish on me just to add weight.
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: Rob102 on September 06, 2018, 08:19:16 PM
Valid point about whitey, never thought about him was always more worried about seals hitting my stringers.  My lines never get frayed interesting enough, just worn out for being tangled or wrapped up so much. Is this what you mean by frayed? I agree about the kui, also if I'm low on weight Ill keep fish on me just to add weight.

Kinda. Any time the line gets pinched or tangled it can cause some damage. A kink can significantly weaken mono. When you see any damage or discoloration you need to examine it to make sure it’s sound. As for seals, I think they are more likely to try and grab a fighting fish than one hanging off a stringer, but you never know.
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: ryang85 on September 06, 2018, 08:50:38 PM
Of course it would. Without the heart the only way to get the blood out, or the lactic acid for that matter, is for gravity to drain it or for pressure to squeeze it out. Since we hang the fish by the head it won’t drain and I doubt the pressure pushing nearly equal on all sides will force much blood out at all. Lactic acid may cease to build up but it will never be reduced as it is carried out of the muscles through the blood stream. The best way to purge the fish is to bleed it. That’s why commercial hook and line guys take the time to bleed fish even though it makes a huge mess and that have to constantly wash down the deck. They wouldn’t waste the time or effort if it didn’t make a difference.
The way we always have bled salmon and albacore commercially was to knock it out with a club then bleed it by pulling a gill. Rockfish and  all types of cod generally arnt bled in the commercial and charter business. I personally dont notice if a ling has been bled or not, i used to pull the gills but now i just brain them to speed up the process a touch. It does seem to get fishy when it is sitting in a kayak for half the day.





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Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: Alfonso on September 06, 2018, 09:01:38 PM
Valid point about whitey, never thought about him was always more worried about seals hitting my stringers.  My lines never get frayed interesting enough, just worn out for being tangled or wrapped up so much. Is this what you mean by frayed? I agree about the kui, also if I'm low on weight Ill keep fish on me just to add weight.

Kinda. Any time the line gets pinched or tangled it can cause some damage. A kink can significantly weaken mono. When you see any damage or discoloration you need to examine it to make sure it’s sound. As for seals, I think they are more likely to try and grab a fighting fish than one hanging off a stringer, but you never know.

Vinyl coated cable works great for stringers- flexible, durable, and cheap. If the fish have teeth, give them something to grind on.

https://catchalltackle.com/49-strand-stainless-steel-cable-black-vinyl-coated-500-spool-100-crimps/

Stun, bleed, pith.

YMMV
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: Rob102 on September 06, 2018, 09:46:18 PM
Valid point about whitey, never thought about him was always more worried about seals hitting my stringers.  My lines never get frayed interesting enough, just worn out for being tangled or wrapped up so much. Is this what you mean by frayed? I agree about the kui, also if I'm low on weight Ill keep fish on me just to add weight.

Kinda. Any time the line gets pinched or tangled it can cause some damage. A kink can significantly weaken mono. When you see any damage or discoloration you need to examine it to make sure it’s sound. As for seals, I think they are more likely to try and grab a fighting fish than one hanging off a stringer, but you never know.

Vinyl coated cable works great for stringers- flexible, durable, and cheap. If the fish have teeth, give them something to grind on.

https://catchalltackle.com/49-strand-stainless-steel-cable-black-vinyl-coated-500-spool-100-crimps/

Stun, bleed, pith.

YMMV

I had a coated cable cable years ago. I had an issue with the looped part that wasnt coated, when it frayed and stabbed me in the hands.  The bare cable part can also sawed partially through the eye sockets as the fish bounced up and down on the swell.  I was also concerned that when I wore it on my waist that I wouldn’t be able to break it, or that it wouldn’t break if I needed it to.
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: Alfonso on September 07, 2018, 04:24:27 AM
Valid point about whitey, never thought about him was always more worried about seals hitting my stringers.  My lines never get frayed interesting enough, just worn out for being tangled or wrapped up so much. Is this what you mean by frayed? I agree about the kui, also if I'm low on weight Ill keep fish on me just to add weight.

Kinda. Any time the line gets pinched or tangled it can cause some damage. A kink can significantly weaken mono. When you see any damage or discoloration you need to examine it to make sure it’s sound. As for seals, I think they are more likely to try and grab a fighting fish than one hanging off a stringer, but you never know.

Vinyl coated cable works great for stringers- flexible, durable, and cheap. If the fish have teeth, give them something to grind on.

https://catchalltackle.com/49-strand-stainless-steel-cable-black-vinyl-coated-500-spool-100-crimps/

Stun, bleed, pith.

YMMV

I had a coated cable cable years ago. I had an issue with the looped part that wasnt coated, when it frayed and stabbed me in the hands.  The bare cable part can also sawed partially through the eye sockets as the fish bounced up and down on the swell.  I was also concerned that when I wore it on my waist that I wouldn’t be able to break it, or that it wouldn’t break if I needed it to.

True, cable can present its own set of challenges. I use a thinner coated cable that can easily be cut with my serrated knife. Chafe tubing solves the problems created by bare cable.

https://catchalltackle.com/luminous-glow-chafing-tubing-1-4mm-2-6mm-10-coils/
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: NorCal DiverDave on September 08, 2018, 09:24:38 PM
Ive had lings try to take my rockfish a few times. The lings I can handle, its when the seals take the fish off my stringer is when it gets tricky. Ive also had lingcod bite my ab iron when I drop the iron to search an area for abs, attached to float line.

Cut the gills and let them bleed out.
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: Diver Dan on November 16, 2018, 07:32:44 AM
I had several fish on my shooting line, the gun was loaded on the bottom at the end of my float line.  While breathing up I watched a ling try to eat some of my fish.  On the way down I pulled the gun away from the ling and shot it.

MN

Mike, have you ever made a double barrel speargun for this purpose? Neptonics makes a double trigger but I can't find much on designs for a gun using one. Last month this happened to me 3 times in one day from 3 different lings. On one of them I was able to tease the ling with my fish dangling on my shoot line long enough for me to reload as best as I could with an open barrel. I rushed it a bit and only loaded 1 band, took the shot, nice shot, but not enough penetration and it tore off.
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: Yowlie on November 16, 2018, 08:56:13 AM
"Never roll with just one gun, bro."  blOOdbath
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: Mike n on November 16, 2018, 09:14:24 AM
I haven’t made one but could give it a try. I’m pretty sure the double mech is for an over under shaft arrangement.  A short nor cal gun would be a heavy sinker.
MN
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: ryang85 on November 16, 2018, 10:50:20 AM
I haven’t made one but could give it a try. I’m pretty sure the double mech is for an over under shaft arrangement.  A short nor cal gun would be a heavy sinker.
MN
I looked at making one, while it could be cool it would be a bulky and heavy with bands and 2 shafts on top and bottom, and wrapping line on the sides would create some huge potential  tangles when 2 shafts are out. when a ling pops out either grab the gun from the kayak or let the ling take the fish and follow it to its hole. Most of the time they will just sit there trying to swallow the fish and you can reload.


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Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: Amsmosh on November 16, 2018, 12:13:24 PM
I have had this happen many times. Here is one instance I got on video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V7JzpQzTfE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V7JzpQzTfE)
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: Rob102 on November 16, 2018, 02:06:21 PM
I haven’t made one but could give it a try. I’m pretty sure the double mech is for an over under shaft arrangement.  A short nor cal gun would be a heavy sinker.
MN
I looked at making one, while it could be cool it would be a bulky and heavy with bands and 2 shafts on top and bottom, and wrapping line on the sides would create some huge potential  tangles when 2 shafts are out. when a ling pops out either grab the gun from the kayak or let the ling take the fish and follow it to its hole. Most of the time they will just sit there trying to swallow the fish and you can reload.


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Hmmm

On a previous post you corrected me about cf gun, that it’s not “light” because it’s buoyancy that matters, or something like that.  Now you are contradicting yourself and talking about a gun being heavier.  This is why people need to be careful who they take advice from.
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: ryang85 on November 16, 2018, 02:32:22 PM
I haven’t made one but could give it a try. I’m pretty sure the double mech is for an over under shaft arrangement.  A short nor cal gun would be a heavy sinker.
MN
I looked at making one, while it could be cool it would be a bulky and heavy with bands and 2 shafts on top and bottom, and wrapping line on the sides would create some huge potential  tangles when 2 shafts are out. when a ling pops out either grab the gun from the kayak or let the ling take the fish and follow it to its hole. Most of the time they will just sit there trying to swallow the fish and you can reload.


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Hmmm

On a previous post you corrected me about cf gun, that it’s not “light” because it’s buoyancy that matters, or something like that.  Now you are contradicting yourself and talking about a gun being heavier.  This is why people need to be careful who they take advice from.
You would be correct in the part about checking who you get info from, feel free to check my math and correct me when I'm wrong, I still havnt compleated my engineering degree but a lot of this is taught in high school physics and calc .

it is more dense with a higher amount of steel compared to wood therfore It would be "heavier" underwater.  Foam plugs might be able to adjust net density but it would take a lot of plugs that compromise the integrity of the wood
The last example used carbon vs. aluminum guns which are weighted down to have equal buoyancy and density as each other so weight underwater is equal.

Using the word heavier or lighter are sort of dangerous words and leave room for missinterprtiations,    saying the extra shaft would make the gun have a higher  net density,  would be more accurate in this case.

Mass and weight are often confused, weight is a force and mass is a measurement. 


Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: Rob102 on November 16, 2018, 07:09:01 PM
Yeah, I agree.  You are the one who misinterpreted what I said when you made an assumption about what I meant instead of reading what I wrote. Maybe you should squeeze in an English class with your high school physics and calculus.
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: Tez on November 16, 2018, 07:20:42 PM
O snap
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: divenfish on November 16, 2018, 08:45:46 PM
I used to have a Picasso Century twin over/under speargun. The under shaft was shorter (Top 90 cm /bottom 60 cm)
It was a PIA, tangle city, once both shafts are deployed.
Carry second gun or practice your ling noodling :)
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: Diver Dan on November 16, 2018, 09:42:27 PM
http://orig02.deviantart.net/2210/f/2008/296/6/9/mosasaur_hunter___speargun_1_by_stroggtank.jpg (http://orig02.deviantart.net/2210/f/2008/296/6/9/mosasaur_hunter___speargun_1_by_stroggtank.jpg)
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: TheKeeneroo on November 19, 2018, 10:45:18 AM
I was yak diving yesterday, shot a pretty big blue, and while I was bringing it up, had a ling in the 28" range swim up from 40' below to munch it at the surface! haha it almost stuck around long enough for me to shoot it, but alas, I looked away to load my band and it was gone. I kept the fish on the line and sunk the gun in hopes to draw it back out, but no luck.

(https://i.postimg.cc/2qPYFL8V/IMG-4458.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2qPYFL8V)
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: Tez on November 20, 2018, 04:00:59 PM
The biggest ling I've shot so far was trying to steal a 25" ling from my spear in about 10' of water.  She came out of nowhere the second I pulled the trigger on the first one.  I tried to keep my cool and move slowly and smoothly, but she wasn't intimidated at all.  I actually prodded her back a few times with the spear as I slowly loaded without looking at my gun.  I didn't even wrap the line, but made sure to pull both bands.  Point blank stone shot.  A huge sea lion came in to check out the commotion, and I quickly made my way for shore (shore dive). 

Seems to be pretty common, they are some hungry beasties  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: TheKeeneroo on November 20, 2018, 04:03:26 PM
Yep!

Here is a quick video of the ling footage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNA87us_06c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNA87us_06c)
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: Diver Dan on November 23, 2018, 11:04:50 AM
I've been contemplating getting a mini pneumatic to carry on my leg (it comes with a holster) as a back up.

https://www.leisurepro.com/p-mrss/mares-sten-pneumatic-spear-guns (https://www.leisurepro.com/p-mrss/mares-sten-pneumatic-spear-guns)

Any use one of these? Looks like it would have enough power for a point blank shot on a big ling. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: Tez on November 23, 2018, 05:08:34 PM
I've been contemplating getting a mini pneumatic to carry on my leg (it comes with a holster) as a back up.

https://www.leisurepro.com/p-mrss/mares-sten-pneumatic-spear-guns (https://www.leisurepro.com/p-mrss/mares-sten-pneumatic-spear-guns)

Any use one of these? Looks like it would have enough power for a point blank shot on a big ling. Thoughts?

Joe (Dogpaddle) Uses the medium version of that gun as his main, I think.  He kills a lot of fish.

The little ones strapped to a leg seem like a good way to shoot yourself in the calf  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: Rob102 on November 23, 2018, 07:03:14 PM
I've been contemplating getting a mini pneumatic to carry on my leg (it comes with a holster) as a back up.

https://www.leisurepro.com/p-mrss/mares-sten-pneumatic-spear-guns (https://www.leisurepro.com/p-mrss/mares-sten-pneumatic-spear-guns)

Any use one of these? Looks like it would have enough power for a point blank shot on a big ling. Thoughts?

I thought about it. I just decided to use a pathos 60 because with the rear mech it’s pretty short. I would be concerned about shooting myself and hanging up on the kayak. I still like the idea for abalone or scallop diving, but instead I carry the 60 and put the iron on my leg.

I always wondered how easy they are to load and how noisy they are under water.
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: dogpaddle on November 23, 2018, 07:48:50 PM
I've been contemplating getting a mini pneumatic to carry on my leg (it comes with a holster) as a back up.

https://www.leisurepro.com/p-mrss/mares-sten-pneumatic-spear-guns (https://www.leisurepro.com/p-mrss/mares-sten-pneumatic-spear-guns)

Any use one of these? Looks like it would have enough power for a point blank shot on a big ling. Thoughts?
I have The Sten Mini mini (with the leg holster), the mini, and the medi (my main gun).  Love using the pneumatic.  It is a little loud underwater but the fish dont seem to care or hide because of the noise. Plus their usually swinging around the shaft after it makes a noise anyway. I agree that it's an  accident waiting to happen if you have it loaded around your leg though. I hear some divers will attach it to a dive bag though to have it with them if their prying scallops of rocks. Never saw the need myself since my gun is usually marking the spot I'm diving anyway if I'm not shooting fish at the time.
Oh and yes you can kill a nice ling with one. The big advantage is you can swing that thing around about as fast as you can swing your hand around with no gun in it it's so small and solid. Easy for quick and easy shot placement.
Title: Re: Anyone ever have a lingcod try to eat their speared rockfish?
Post by: naturalSelection on November 23, 2018, 08:24:32 PM
I was considering the mares Cyrano 42, basically the cheaper version of the sten.

I've been contemplating getting a mini pneumatic to carry on my leg (it comes with a holster) as a back up.

https://www.leisurepro.com/p-mrss/mares-sten-pneumatic-spear-guns (https://www.leisurepro.com/p-mrss/mares-sten-pneumatic-spear-guns)

Any use one of these? Looks like it would have enough power for a point blank shot on a big ling. Thoughts?