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NorCal Underwater Hunters Discussion => Hunting Contests & Competitions => Topic started by: Joshua R. on August 21, 2017, 06:41:07 AM

Title: Watermens Alliance Urchin Removal Project
Post by: Joshua R. on August 21, 2017, 06:41:07 AM
This year 100% of the proceeds from the Randy Fry event will go towards urchin removal from the Fort Bragg area.  I have a commercial diver who will work two divers a full day for $500.  Watermen's Alliance does not pay it's officers or charge any kind of admin fee so every $500 we raise will work two commercial divers a full day clearing approximately 2,000 square feet per day.  Depending on how much we raise, we might buy another compressor allowing him to work 3 divers for the same price able to clear 3,000 square feet per day.

This will be an ongoing project for the Watermen's Alliance so there will be money coming from other sources to continue the project and I have another project in the works as well I'm just waiting on permits.

Josh
Title: Re: Watermens Alliance Urchin Removal Project
Post by: MATT MATTISON on August 21, 2017, 08:08:39 AM
Awesome !!! Like we have discussed on the phone Josh keep me posted to as what I can do and NCUH and its members can do to help out.
Title: Re: Watermens Alliance Urchin Removal Project
Post by: Joshua R. on August 22, 2017, 09:40:50 PM
Big shout out and a thank you to Red Triangle Spearfishing for donating the first $1,000 to the urchin removal project.
Title: Re: Watermens Alliance Urchin Removal Project
Post by: MATT MATTISON on August 23, 2017, 06:08:16 AM
That's awesome!!! Thank you red triangle Spearfishing
Title: Re: Watermens Alliance Urchin Removal Project
Post by: Diver Dan on August 23, 2017, 08:04:26 AM
I can't make the Randy Fry event this year. Can you post a link to somewhere people can donate to The Watermens Alliance Urchin Removal Project?
Title: Re: Watermens Alliance Urchin Removal Project
Post by: Joshua R. on August 23, 2017, 08:33:37 AM
You can make checks out to Watermen's Alliance and mail them to:

521 Arroyo Grande Lane
Suisun City, CA 94585

Or just register for the tournament even though you don't intend to show up.
Title: Re: Watermens Alliance Urchin Removal Project
Post by: Rob102 on August 23, 2017, 10:58:29 AM
Why doesn't everyone just carry a chipping hammer and knock a little hole in them when they are diving? 



Title: Re: Watermens Alliance Urchin Removal Project
Post by: Mike n on August 23, 2017, 11:57:54 AM
I like that idea, Rob!

MN
Title: Re: Watermens Alliance Urchin Removal Project
Post by: BoneSaw on August 23, 2017, 05:23:20 PM
I smash a good amount every time I go out, almost to the point I end up chopping urchins with my ab iron sideways more than fishing! I always laugh at the comment when people say I shouldn't do that because it spawns them... "Right, I'd much rather leave them alive to spawn naturally year after year..."
Title: Re: Watermens Alliance Urchin Removal Project
Post by: Duckfoot on August 24, 2017, 07:58:09 AM
The concern about smashing them is that it spreads gametes. I'm writing Cynthia to get her opinion.
Title: Re: Watermens Alliance Urchin Removal Project
Post by: the_derek on August 24, 2017, 08:59:36 AM
The concern about smashing them is that it spreads gametes. I'm writing Cynthia to get her opinion.

I would like to see what she says.
Title: Re: Watermens Alliance Urchin Removal Project
Post by: Joshua R. on August 24, 2017, 09:36:44 AM
She's out of the office til Monday
Title: Re: Watermens Alliance Urchin Removal Project
Post by: Ptown707 on August 24, 2017, 11:16:09 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/www.ocregister.com/2014/08/04/under-the-sea-smashing-urchins-restoring-kelp-forests/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/www.ocregister.com/2014/08/04/under-the-sea-smashing-urchins-restoring-kelp-forests/amp/)

Here is an article on killing Urchins
Title: Re: Watermens Alliance Urchin Removal Project
Post by: MATT MATTISON on August 24, 2017, 12:00:23 PM
instead of smashing them how about just a stab with the dive knife to kill it, one small hole might be another option to smashing them
Title: Re: Watermens Alliance Urchin Removal Project
Post by: Duckfoot on August 24, 2017, 02:39:10 PM
The concern about smashing them is that it spreads gametes. I'm writing Cynthia to get her opinion.

I would like to see what she says.

I heard back from Cynthia. Here's some of what she had to say:
 
"Urchin smashing is efficient, but large-scale smashing may have consequences for the ecosystem that warrants a bit of caution and strategy.  By smashing the urchins, we may be artificially spawning them and we are also adding some free food to the system which may throw fish predator populations out of balance for a bit."
 
She added that if smashing urchins takes place it should happen, "during the time of year and in locations where gonad development is very low (late Spring / early Summer)"
 
She stresses that, "... the most important thing to emphasize is that a coordinated and strategic effort will be the most effective in the long run, rather than isolated efforts that are not necessarily sustained over time.  I also want to highlight the need to document the efforts as well as documenting the long term effectiveness toward supporting algal growth and other key species in the ecosystem (including abalone, urchins, and fish species)."
 
She's happy to participate in a discussion meeting to plan out the strategies for urchin control efforts and for surveys.
Title: Re: Watermens Alliance Urchin Removal Project
Post by: Duckfoot on August 24, 2017, 03:14:40 PM
Big shout out and a thank you to Red Triangle Spearfishing for donating the first $1,000 to the urchin removal project.

+1

A great model for other bushiness to follow! 
[edit - damn it, I'm slurring again.  ... businesses]
Title: Re: Watermens Alliance Urchin Removal Project
Post by: Rob102 on August 24, 2017, 04:51:18 PM
I didn't intend to smash them. My intent was to poke a hole in the shell using a tool that would prevent the diver from being stabbed by urchin spines. Right now the roe is shriveled in all of the urchins I have cracked.

Who is Cynthia anyway?
Title: Re: Watermens Alliance Urchin Removal Project
Post by: Joshua R. on August 24, 2017, 05:22:53 PM
Department biologist. Works with Laura Rogers Bennet
Title: Re: Watermens Alliance Urchin Removal Project
Post by: Joshua R. on August 24, 2017, 05:24:29 PM
Perfect storm author
Title: Re: Watermens Alliance Urchin Removal Project
Post by: Rob102 on August 24, 2017, 05:41:28 PM
Oh!  Well I'll put it right at the top of my list to follow her recommendations.

Is this the collaboration you've been waiting on Jack?
Title: Re: Watermens Alliance Urchin Removal Project
Post by: Duckfoot on August 24, 2017, 11:27:52 PM
Oh!  Well I'll put it right at the top of my list to follow her recommendations.

Is this the collaboration you've been waiting on Jack?

No. Not even close.

Aside form "The Perfect Storm" (TPS) sales pitch, which I totally detest, I have a great deal of respect for Cynthia's work. And she's not the "author" of TPS - she didn't coin the phrase. But unfortunately, despite protestations to Sonke and others, she continues to use the term to explain current environmental realities.